Posted on Jul 7, 2021
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
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Any regulation that has the words "at the Commander's discretion."
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A1C Chris Pointer
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Oh boy so many. But definitely hands in pockets. Not only is it pointless but it seems counter productive.

If it’s cold out and your pockets can provide some sort of warmth, it seems like putting your hands in your pockets would improve readiness
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A1C Chris Pointer
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SSG Stephen Arnold What percent of troops are currently in combat situations in cold environments?
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
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SSG Stephen Arnold - then again, when I was being shot at or mortared in, my hands were never in my pockets.
just sayin'
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SSG Stephen Arnold
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A1C Chris Pointer Then why are their hands in their pockets?
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A1C Chris Pointer
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SSG Stephen Arnold Because their hands are cold in a non combat environment...
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SSG Emergency Action Controller / Ops Nco
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AR 600-9 -- but not for the reasons you might think.

In 2016 I had a soldier who could not lose weight. He was extremely intelligent, always did what was asked of him to the highest degree and wanted to be a leader. Unfortunately, his body composition would not allow him. He had an extremely skinny neck and a large waist, thus making him break the ABCP regulation which led to him being flagged.

I would run with the soldier day in and day out and even on our off days (Friday and Monday), I would find him at the base gym on the treadmill running 6+ miles. None of this helped, he still could not meet the "standard" and was eventually separated after we returned from deployment.

I vented my frustration to our 1SG and eventually got verbally reprimanded for telling him how dumb and outdated I thought the regulation was -- "there are no stupid regulations in the United States Army!"

For this, I will forever dislike/hate the way AR 600-9 sets soldiers with unconventional bodies up for failure.
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600-9 is extremely outdated and as the ACFT becomes finalized, I think we're going to see just how badly the reg needs to be changed. It would be one thing if it was genuinely about health, but the way it is written now, 600-9 is purely a visual appearance policy and it's going to lead to more injuries and Soldiers with eating disorders.
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What is the most pointless military regulation in your opinion?
SFC Marc W.
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1. Hands in pockets
2. General's can't receive less than a MSM.
General's have so many perks as it is, why is this even necessary? There are generals that suck.
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SPC John Cummings
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I think any quality of command medal should go. You did your job, put it on your resume.
I also think multiple training ribbons I'd garbage.
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SPC July Macias
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In the Army, you cannot remain (nor return) to Active Duty if you haven't been promoted to E5 after eight years. This is dumb, because I know dirt bags and overweight people getting promoted to E5 and E6. Also, an experienced E4, who's not a dirt bag, is more useful to the military than people who stay in because they need the money.
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SPC James Neidig
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That’s # 1 Reason they Should Bring Back the SPC 5 / 6 / 7 Ranks to Keep the Well Trained SPC Who Do Not Wish to Be NCO’S IN the Jobs They Are Good at But Get Rid Of The Dirt Bags.
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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It's not dumb, it's a retention control point. Every service has them for both officers and enlisted. The reason we got rid of all the SPC5-9 ranks is that we have civilians to do civilian jobs. In the Army we make leaders, leadership is what we create, it is our culture. RCP also removes people holding positions in hard to promote MOS's so that other people can get promoted.
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
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Stay off the grass
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SPC July Macias
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Funny you mention that; because you're allowed to do PT on the grass. Yet, somehow you're not allowed to walk on it. Heck.... you attend formation on that same grass.
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Sgt Dale Briggs
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Can’t carry a firearm on base. Your in the military, your trained to handle weapons, you’ve already had a complete background check, your performance is rated annually, and depending on MOS a varying degree of a security clearance. I don’t get it, but being the military they would have to issue a separate license that included proficiency, use of deadly force etc, but that’s part of our yearly training too. I think it’s ridiculous my son had to walk around a FOB with no round in the chamber for 7 months with the ANP and ALP completely untrustworthy. Always had to be aware and change procedures because of the blue or green bullshit, if you got caught with a round in the chamber they’d slap charges on you. Your a trained military member for Christ sakes, sure there’s irresponsible people but you handle them individually.

I still don’t do hands in pockets and I’m 65.
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The litany of regulations that are not funded. Indefinite funding should be attached to all regulations that require "stuff" and not general unit funds but specific funds for each item. There are many items required per AR 840-10 Flags, Guidons, Streamers, Tabards, and Automobile and Aircraft Plates. An orange and white checkered flag, for instance, is required for vehicles on airfields. In 20 years I've never seen one. A similar situation exists for extra duties that units required to staff by regulation and this situation is exacerbated in the reserve component due to the funding needed just to get a soldier on orders to go to CLS, UMO, or LRSO (laser and radiation safety officer) to name a few.
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Is the official sex position still a thing? It was just a few years ago when I first joined.
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May not be a popular stance and not the most pointless (hands in pockets has to be close to #1)...but Service Members are the only people in the US that can be prosecuted for adultery (even though its incredibly hard to prove). Our civilian leaders do it without ramifications (if anything they get re-elected)...damaging good order and discipline (fraternization/sleeping with one of your Soldiers' spouses) is still a no go/conduct unbecoming...probably time for that reg to catch up with the society we serve?

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