Posted on Aug 4, 2016
What is the protocol for waking up two MPs asleep in their patrol car parked in a secluded location at 0645 in the morning while doing PT?
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I swear the threat of being blasted publicly on one of those sites is a far better motivator to always be doing the right thing than anything the 1stSgt can threaten you with
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As a former MP, I'd tap on their window, have them open their doors and exit the patrol car, make the senior use his/her cell phone and call their watch commander and hand me the phone
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LTC (Join to see) sir, I second what Sgt Christopher Cooper said. I'd also inform the duty NCO / Quarterdeck if it were a Navy MA.
I'd like to stress that this would fall under Article 113, which is a severe violation. In times of war it is punishable by death, in times of peace it is court martial.. The military today isn't as strict nor does it appear to adhere as strictly to the UCMJ's recommended punishments, however the fact that such an article would suggest "death" stands to reinforce how serious of a violation it is.
I've personally had to stand watches for more than several days, at times it was nearly impossible to stay awake, however I have never once fallen asleep or dozed off outside of bootcamp when I was so sleep deprived my body was in an uncontrollable mircosleep phase..
Personally, and I am sure I am in the minority here, as a Petty Officer (NCO), if someone is on watch or on duty, and has the audacity, and lack of military bearing to fall asleep, I treat that very seriously. The fact that there were two of them and they were both sleeping, shows me that it wasn't an accident, but instead a pre-planned more than likely routine occurrence..
I'd like to stress that this would fall under Article 113, which is a severe violation. In times of war it is punishable by death, in times of peace it is court martial.. The military today isn't as strict nor does it appear to adhere as strictly to the UCMJ's recommended punishments, however the fact that such an article would suggest "death" stands to reinforce how serious of a violation it is.
I've personally had to stand watches for more than several days, at times it was nearly impossible to stay awake, however I have never once fallen asleep or dozed off outside of bootcamp when I was so sleep deprived my body was in an uncontrollable mircosleep phase..
Personally, and I am sure I am in the minority here, as a Petty Officer (NCO), if someone is on watch or on duty, and has the audacity, and lack of military bearing to fall asleep, I treat that very seriously. The fact that there were two of them and they were both sleeping, shows me that it wasn't an accident, but instead a pre-planned more than likely routine occurrence..
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MSG Dan Castaneda
Me personally, I would just tap on their window and inform them that sleeping on duty is never a good idea. Tell them to have a good day.
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LTC (Join to see) As a "COL Cop", as Capt Michael Greene stated below, the proper thing to do is to wake them and have them contact their Patrol Supervisor and/or Military Police Duty Officer (MPDO) and ask one or both to report to the scene. If you felt uncomfortable doing that and you had a cell phone, you could call the MP Station direct (or 911, although I don't recommend that)... No phone and uncomfortable waking them? -- remember the vehicle number, time and location and report it to the Provost Marshal or PM Operations Officer as soon as you have the opportunity.
One thing to remember... Just deal with the issue, not the individuals (i.e., ass-chewing, etc.). MPs on duty only report to and take instructions from the Military Police chain of command. They should, however, honor your request to call the Patrol Sup or MPDO.
I would then follow-up with the Provost Marshal to ensure he/she was aware of it. The soldiers would most likely be relieved from duty and recommended for disciplinary action by their chain of command (which is different than the Provost Marshal chain).
MPs sleeping on duty would most likely be given a Field Grade Article 15.
One thing to remember... Just deal with the issue, not the individuals (i.e., ass-chewing, etc.). MPs on duty only report to and take instructions from the Military Police chain of command. They should, however, honor your request to call the Patrol Sup or MPDO.
I would then follow-up with the Provost Marshal to ensure he/she was aware of it. The soldiers would most likely be relieved from duty and recommended for disciplinary action by their chain of command (which is different than the Provost Marshal chain).
MPs sleeping on duty would most likely be given a Field Grade Article 15.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
SGT Dv Jerod SGM Erik Marquez As I think I have related on RallyPoint before, every situation and every person is different. Leaders must be able to differentiate the facts, motivation, outcome, individuals, etc. when deciding what to do when presented with situations to address.
As both a company grade and field grade officer, I have actually administered Article 15s that I never processed after giving them... simply telling the recipient later to put his/her rank back on and not worrying about the pay deduction. They walked around with the wrong rank for a time and maybe did some extra duty. They got the message, but it did not impact their record. Of course, I used that process sparingly and only for outstanding soldiers who screwed up, but deserved a break... I never got a complaint about it from the recipient... :-)
As both a company grade and field grade officer, I have actually administered Article 15s that I never processed after giving them... simply telling the recipient later to put his/her rank back on and not worrying about the pay deduction. They walked around with the wrong rank for a time and maybe did some extra duty. They got the message, but it did not impact their record. Of course, I used that process sparingly and only for outstanding soldiers who screwed up, but deserved a break... I never got a complaint about it from the recipient... :-)
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LTJG (Join to see)
In the Marine Corps, I believe an NCO or higher has the authority to detain someone until proper authorities arrive. Is something similar the case in the Army?
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LTJG (Join to see) - There is, but there has to be a significant reason for the detainment (i.e., creating a disturbance, drunk and disorderly, etc.). In this regard, you run into the proverbial, 'what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object' in the authorities of an NCO and an MP on duty. Best case scenario is the one already mentioned where, if necessary, a photo is taken for evidence and a call is made to the PMO / MP watch commander.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
LTJG (Join to see) - Yes, Army NCOs have the same authority. That authority would not be warranted in this situation, as your attempt to detain them would interfere with their ability to perform their mission (yes, I know they were allegedly sleeping... however, when awake, they need to be able to respond, etc.). You could certainly ask them to call their supervisor and wait for his/her arrival. However, if they refused to wait, any attempt to detain them would not be wise, as there are other ways to report their violation. Once again, it goes back to the fact that MPs on duty only take instructions from their MP chain of command.
Now, having said that, if a non-MP NCO or officer observed any of my MPs sleeping on duty, approached them and told them to cal, their supervisor and wait for his/her arrival, and they refused to do so, they would have more problems to deal with when I saw them than just the sleeping on duty.
I guess it really has to do with the word "detain"... Can you detain them? No. Can you advise them to stand by until their supervisor arrives? Yes.
Now, having said that, if a non-MP NCO or officer observed any of my MPs sleeping on duty, approached them and told them to cal, their supervisor and wait for his/her arrival, and they refused to do so, they would have more problems to deal with when I saw them than just the sleeping on duty.
I guess it really has to do with the word "detain"... Can you detain them? No. Can you advise them to stand by until their supervisor arrives? Yes.
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