Posted on Oct 23, 2015
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What is it that the cadre and policy makers in NCOES schools think they are accomplishing by suppressing 240 years of culture. Secondly, I don't know of anyone who after the school was like "oh I better not cuss now I'm a warrior leader"
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SSG S1 Personnel Nco
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Personally, I find the use of profanity to be unnecessary and completely unprofessional in any situation. I do not use it, and I prefer that others not use it around me, whether senior, subordinate, or peer. It conveys a hostile and abusive environment.
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It's a professionalism thing. Sure, no one cares when you're with your buddies, but when you're working with the public, citizens of other countries, or anyone outside of the culture, it matters. We are one of, if not THE, most professional militaries in the world. Watching our language in front of others is part of it.
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LTC Dallas Powell
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When I attended PLDC in 1994, we were not allowed to swear either. This is nothing new.

A couple of years before that, my very first PSG used to say, "Swearing is a crutch for the conversationally impaired." I've always known that a strategically timed four-letter word can be effective. Use those words sparingly, and your troops will respect you.
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The reality is that profanity for the most part is a filler, similar to how people use "like", and "um", but it can also be used as an adjective in many situations. It shouldn't be considered taboo, depending on who you are talking to, but one thing leaders should work on is taking a step back and consider "what word can I use in lieu of f**king, or sh**ty to describe this?" And practice speaking on your own, in front of the mirror or wherever you feel comfortable- especially before a brief- so you can reduce any filler words (including like, um, f***ing, etc). It shouldn't be a matter of not being allowed to use profanity, it should be a matter of not needing to use it all the time. If you work at it, you will come off as more professional without really changing your style, just the words; it also means that when you do use profanity, your subordinates know that issue is significant- in other words, not using it gives it a more powerful connotation.
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SP6 Cajun Ray
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Some people here don't seem to understand that it's about maintaining your military bearing, as well as, showing respect to, and for, others.
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MSG Chuck Pewsey
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1. if you cuss all the time, what are you going to do when you need to be emphatic? 2. In case of emergency (here they come!), profanity is just noise that gets in the way of the message.
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CW2 Michael Mullikin
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I don't believe 240 years is accurate; 4000 is more like it. Don't forget the quote attributed to a Spartan corporal before the walls of Troy: "F____ This Shit!"
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It has never been accepted as a valid form of communication but when at Eaustis I was asked by cadre to get female latrines in order. I bagged them up elbows deep gave a class on hygiene and got reported because i offended them when I made everyone clean unless I got s volunteer or I could drop trouser and see who made the mess. So group effort it was.
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It's toi easy. What is the first line in the NCO Creed?
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*too easy. Stupid smart phone keyboard.
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It isn't that. It is trying to convey a professional working environment. I get that. Very few civilian jobs would tolerate the F bomb every third word. I do hear swearing in a corporate environment with a major oil company almost every day. However it isn't quite like it is in the Army.

However, I think the no swearing thing can be taken to an extreme. I got yelled at WLC about mile 4 of our 5 mile run. One of the cadre asked "Are you motivated?" and I was the only one who sounded off....but it was with "F YEAH!" So after I was admonished my motivation was probably in the crapper for the final mile.

If you cannot communicate effectively without it out.....I would brush up on how to communicate and be a leader. Then add it back in.
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