Posted on Apr 22, 2016
SSG Bethany Viglietta
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I am an Army Recruiter and it would be great to share.

As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?

Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.

Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.
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SSG Human Resources Specialist
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I hope as a recruiter you are screening these females before they pick a combat mos. Because if the only reason they are doing it is to get there name in the paper they will get someone killed. Let them know they better have thick skin, they better be able to pull their own weight or in most cases carry it. If they don't have the physical strength to be able to carry 100+ pounds worth of gear for 25 miles they might want to reconsider. This goes for all recruits both male and female. If you are not ok with the fact you might die and or your friends might die because of something you did or didn't do the army is not for them.
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Sgt Frederick Pou
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We are a band of BROTHERS & SISTERS. There are things that man can do better than women & vice versa. Go and give it your best and hope that you meet the cut, but do not complain that it is too hard as that will just be considered a sign of weakness.
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MSG Nathan Ellison
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My advice would to be to think long, hard and honestly about your intentions. The facts of the matter are this; while it may seem cool and ground breaking, blah, blah, blah, you are going into a position (job dependent) in which the training alone breaks down and spits out the men who attempt to apply. Those who make it share the bond of that experience and the knowledge they all went through the same pain to get to where they are. You can apply that standard to 11B's, Rangers, SF, et. al. If you as a female want to be accepted in anyone of those "clubs" you need to go through the the EXACT same selection and training and suffering right along side your counterparts said that there is no question you made the standard.
Next, you have to understand your own physiology. As a female, you are not biologically designed to carry the weight or take the punishment a male body is. At any given time a female is able to perform as well and perhaps better than a equal male counterpart, however, over time, my concern is you will experience the damage we all encounter, at a much faster rate. It hurts like hell to get up in the morning, it's a reality I live with, do you want to hear "Mommy, why won't you pick me up?"
Lastly, combat itself. It's fucking savage. Are women? Probably more so than men at times but again, there are realities you are going to have to come to terms with. Wounding, maiming, capture and the aftermath of all of those things. 22 veterans are taking their lives daily, they are disproportionately male, there is a reason for that other than they aren't getting the help they need.
So, in closing, while politicians may have smashed the champagne bottle on the bow of the USS Women-in-Combat and sent it sailing on down the river of political correctness, I don't think they thought of the third and forth order effects of their decision. If you are considering a combat position, fully understand your own motivation, the risks associated with any given job and the "baggage" that comes with it. If you find you are doing it to prove a point, you're in it for all the wrong reasons.
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SSgt Jeremy Westlake
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That ship has sailed, sure. However, just because some politicians made a poor decision in rewriting policy does not mean that recruiters or anyone else should encourage young women into a choice which absolutely will affect the rest of their life. Just because prostitution is legal on Nevada does not mean that guidance counselors should recommend it as a career path.
The infantry is barely tolerable as a living condition for young men in peek condition, they cope with the adversary with harsh language and crude behavior. If a young woman voluntarily chooses this lifestyle, which I doubt many would without pressure from a recuiter, then they need to understand that it is a total lifestyle. It is not just graduating a school and it's over, it is not a 9-5 with weekends off. I think that recruiters should go spend a month or two acting as infantry before sending anyone into that lifestyle, otherwise you have little understanding of the situation.
How to prepare? Ask yourself if you are willing to voluntarily go to prison for the next four years.

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Cpl Chris Woodford
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Bring condoms because there is nothing worse than your female counterpart not pulling her own weight and/or is on light duty because she got knocked up, sleeping with everyone in the Co.. Besides, performing your duties, you will ultimately need to worry about going on the Maury show to find out who the baby daddy is. Moreover, humping a 100lb pack and your weapon will be nearly impossible when you do get pregnant... honestly, that is what happens when you put young men and women together in very close quarters without nothing else to do. Spades gets extremely boring after awhile.
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Cpl Chris Woodford
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Cpl Brad MarkW - in my unit, almost every women was pregnant. It finally got to the point where so many of the women there were on light duty, our command simply created a new job for them all to do, which was to sit on their fat ass, behind a desk, and sign out any equipment, male Marines, needed to accomplish the mission. Honestly, a Marine shouldn't be in the Marine Corps if they can't be trusted to take a wrench from the tool box or more realistically, I should have said a buffer as any Marine knows, all we do when not deployed, is buff the damn deck.
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Cpl Brad MarkW
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Cpl Chris Woodford - I am not even sure these days you can buff the deck if you're on light duty. So where does that leave us when one of our own can't even fill that role? It remains to be seen how it will work out. I tend to be a cynic...
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Cpl Brad MarkW
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Cpl Chris Woodford -One more for today. Among the many charges these commanders were levied with, they..and I quote, "failed to get a pregnant officer transferred off the ship in keeping with Navy policy."

Yee gads!! Maybe they needed to get her position replaced before they let her go? I don't know. I really don't, but what I do know, is a female, officer no less, got herself knocked up while underway. And we're supposed to believe this sh1t won't happen with the grunts.

http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/us-navy-destroyers-crew-caught-in-bizarre-gambling-and-fireworks-scandal
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Cpl Chris Woodford
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Cpl Brad MarkW - Don't get me wrong, there were a couple admin female Marines that worked in an office where we worked and trained, and many times these two women would be out there doing PT with us and I never remember either of them requesting special favors, nor doing any. Lol However, I remember when they allowed women in our unit. Before the end of the year, almost every guy in crew had been in the rack. Eventually, everyone of them ended up with a belly bump. On the contrary, while we deployed aboard the amphibious assault ship, the USS Iwo Jima, we were going into harm's way and no women deployed with us. However, the Iwo had a large medical department aboard. One day after not seeing a woman in about 5 months, I saw a whole parade of them from one of the aircraft carriers in the 5th fleet, all Waves and eligible to serve on a carrier despite being in the Gulf. However, everybody started talking and I discovered every single one of them were aboard our ship to get a medical examination and a helicopter ride to the nearest airport, as they all became pregnant aboard a nuclear worship. Of course, they all got a nice ride home. As for the article above, I don't believe no women officers were involved. I am sure you are right about their position being changed before they were sent home because God forbid Secretary of the Navy, Ray Mabus looks bad. Now two female officers graduated from Ranger School... good for them but I always believed Rangers were all women. Did you notice not one single women made it through the Marine Corps' School of Infantry. Ray Mabus blamed the Marine Corps for not finding more qualified applicants. Maybe Ranger School isn't as difficult as the Marine Corps' School of Infantry. Unfortunately, I never felt challenged, except on field day when we would fail for no reason but to play F' F' games and I was challenged not to murder any higher ups. This is all just a cluster fuck waiting to happen and everybody's opinion will change when women, young women begin coming home in body bags.
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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I am a sergeant first class infantry soldier who was a drill sergeant I would say be strong ..understand that this is going to be a huge adjustment for some of us...I believe only a few will be a problem but most will be understanding..
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LCpl Kaleb King
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Work hard work your butts off nothing gets handed to anyone for many years woman have not been seen as equals to men in the military with is a cold hard truth. But keep working keep fighting to make change. I saw in a few post if you wanna hang with the boys expect to be treated like the boys I personally don't think standards should be made easier do to the plain fact that insurgents won't change or attack the military differently because your a female in a combat role cause they sure they hell didn't care while I was over there. But like I said before if y'all wanna do this be willing to put in work
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SFC Chad Primeaux
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Then you don't want my opinion.
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Cpl Chris Woodford
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A woman's MOS ends when she gets out of bed in the morning... after she gets me a cup of coffee too... sorry I almost forgot the coffee.
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1SG G1 Operations Ncoic
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The same advice I'd give for any new Soldier, talk little and listen much. Unless specifically asked, no one wants to hear about how they were taught in AIT.
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SSG Mathew Ada
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None. It's something to be experienced. It's up to them whether it's worth it or not. Fortitude and brotherhood is what made us different. You either love it or hate it.
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