Posted on Apr 22, 2016
What is your advice for Females joining the ranks of the combat jobs in the Military?
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I am an Army Recruiter and it would be great to share.
As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?
Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.
Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.
As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?
Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.
Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.
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Create an inner circle of friends that you can turn to for support, encouragement, and to help you learn your job, maybe even help you when others are criticizing you. I heard some today tell so else they were an overachiever. I told them there is no such thing as an over achiever those who love average lives see everyone who excels at all as overachievers. You and your inner circle hold each other to a higher standard.
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My recommendation, encourage the go-getters to become bigger, faster, stronger - seems moot to think about the already existing expectation, but challenge them to focus on meeting the physical standards of their male counterparts so that the transition doesn't shock them or the military as a whole.
I also recommend to young soldiers, go to a training range and become proficient using firearms in a tactical scenario. That and become comfortable with spartan resources and little to no creature comforts.
I also recommend to young soldiers, go to a training range and become proficient using firearms in a tactical scenario. That and become comfortable with spartan resources and little to no creature comforts.
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The US Military Forces are not the place for social experimenting. These social programs, women in ground combat roles, gays and transgenders in the military, etc. have done nothing to further the #1 mission of the US Military...to kill people and break things. None of these programs improve efficiency, and all of them have cost defense dollars that could be better spent on weapons, training, etc. Women do have a place in the military, flying combat aircraft...yes, manning crew positions (including command positions) aboard Naval surface combat ships...yes, and many, many others. But in direct ground combat roles? No. Women, in general (yes, there are exceptions), are weaker and smaller than men in general. They do not have the muscle mass men have (men have about 40% muscle mass, women have about 30% muscle mass), nor do they have the muscle strength men have.
http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/much-muscle-mass-male-female-1709.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10904038
Upper body strength is critical in ground combat. Can a woman retrieve a large wounded member of her team and bring him/her to safety? What happens if the combat situation deteriorates to hand to hand combat with a woman team member having to fight a large opponent of the enemy?
These, and many more questions need to be answered before we try another stupid social experiment. We Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors, and Coasties have all lost comrades to prior social experiments that liberal politicians have forced upon us. Those politicians may not care about the lives of my brothers and sisters, but I do. Women are great at doing a lot of things men are not good at. So why don't we recognize that men are great at doing some things women are not good at?
My advice? No, don't do this, this is just another politically correct stupid idea.
http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/much-muscle-mass-male-female-1709.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10904038
Upper body strength is critical in ground combat. Can a woman retrieve a large wounded member of her team and bring him/her to safety? What happens if the combat situation deteriorates to hand to hand combat with a woman team member having to fight a large opponent of the enemy?
These, and many more questions need to be answered before we try another stupid social experiment. We Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors, and Coasties have all lost comrades to prior social experiments that liberal politicians have forced upon us. Those politicians may not care about the lives of my brothers and sisters, but I do. Women are great at doing a lot of things men are not good at. So why don't we recognize that men are great at doing some things women are not good at?
My advice? No, don't do this, this is just another politically correct stupid idea.
How Much More Muscle Mass Does a Male Have Than a Female?
In fitness assessment, muscle mass is regarded as a significant indicator of overall physical strength. Men tend to have approximately 40 percent muscle mass, while women tend to have approximately ...
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
PO2 David Welch - That's a really great question about hygiene. Quick warning I am about to go in depth with women's hygiene. With proper care we can go a long time without a shower. Women just need to ensure to wear cotton panties. Pack extra! Always have extra. They are as important as fresh socks. Baby wipes work for everyone and every part of the body. Women live in 3rd world countries without showers because the vagina is a self cleaning organ. Don't do anything funky to it and it will take care of itself. There are ways to stop your period for a deployment and if you don't want to, there are a few really cool products women can use. Personally, I just ended mine on deployment. A company has created underwear made for during menstruation that doesn't require the female to use pads or tampons. I haven't tried them, but they are definitely interesting and getting great reviews. Biggest things for women to remember hygiene wise are to use unscented wash/anything, stay away from anything but cotton, and stay away from thongs/g-strings in the field because if you cannot keep clean, they are going to move around and cause infection. I really hope that wasn't too much.
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1stSgt Edward Jackson
PO2 David Welch - Hygiene in the field has always been a problem, and that will not change. You do the best you can with what you've got. Yes, you can carry more, if that is available, but it is what it is. There is no privacy in the field, either, and in many circumstances you may need to bring someone with you to watch out for you to just go to the latrine in the field.
This is not a camping trip to a state parks somewhere. You are carrying your all food, water, an M-16/M-4, 280 rounds of 5.56, maybe grenades, a sidearm with extra ammo, radios, your bed roll, knife, maybe NVGs, first-aid kit, GPS, extra clothes, socks, and other things, and this is on top of your armor jacket. That's 40lbs to 50lbs of equipment, all on your back, and you cannot expect someone else to carry your tampons. You carry it for days, maybe a week or more as you trek through the mountains, snow, or jungles of the world.
Don't expect to get resupplied in the field, it happens, but not all the time. Don't expect the bad guys to give you a break, either. remember you are in his backyard, he knows the area far better than you do.
This is not a camping trip to a state parks somewhere. You are carrying your all food, water, an M-16/M-4, 280 rounds of 5.56, maybe grenades, a sidearm with extra ammo, radios, your bed roll, knife, maybe NVGs, first-aid kit, GPS, extra clothes, socks, and other things, and this is on top of your armor jacket. That's 40lbs to 50lbs of equipment, all on your back, and you cannot expect someone else to carry your tampons. You carry it for days, maybe a week or more as you trek through the mountains, snow, or jungles of the world.
Don't expect to get resupplied in the field, it happens, but not all the time. Don't expect the bad guys to give you a break, either. remember you are in his backyard, he knows the area far better than you do.
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PO2 David Welch
SSG Bethany Viglietta - nope, it was a genuine question that needed clarification. I appreciate your candor and the answer explains a lot.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
1stSgt Edward Jackson - No one carried my gear, tampons, panties, or even my extra sports bras on foot patrols or convoys. I can't imagine a soldier asking someone to hold on to their tampons. Have you seen a tampon? It doesn't weigh much. Our body armor alone weighs over 20lbs. Then add a full combat load of ammo. A weapon or a second weapon. NVGs are a must. First Aid kits are carried by every soldier. Rations. Water. etc. If I can hump all of that, carrying my own tampons will be easy. Put them in a ziplock baggie just like you would your snacks and toss em in your bag/pocket.
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To be part of the unit, same treatment as everybody else. No especial ways of doing things, do the best they can just like everybody else No difference in gender.
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While the sex of a person determines whether we call a male a male and a female a female, gender assignment is not so clear cut. I know women who have skills, abilities and mindset that tops many males, so the male/female issue is largely a social construct. Females joining combat arms MOS's should "know thyself", know the MOS, study up on the history of warfare. Then make the decision as they see fit.
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Remind them that they are being recruited into a male dominated MOS that has been that way for over 300 years. Expect to be ridiculed and to hear allot of BS from these male soldiers. They are going to need to be RESILIENT to comments and remarks. I served with the 82nd Airborne from 93 to 96. It was tough for females who weren't in the infantry. The females then expected that treatment but overcame it easily. Let them know they need to keep their head up, think straight, and use that ridicule as fuel for the fire to prove that they can overcome any and all obstacles that are thrown at them.
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CPL Glynnda White
I don't think that will be the case. IF the females can keep up with the set standards then they will earn the respect they deserve. IF they are coddled by the politically correct they will NOT Deserve respect and they will get none....I think that is right....
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As a female holding AFSCs in what was once male dominated career fields, i would say that any woman wanting to be in a combat position should have the drive and personality for it. Not all men are geared mentally and physically for these jobs and it's not different for women. Combat is not for the weak minded. This is something you should make well known to anyone wanting to take up the front line positions. Good luck! I know there will be some kickass females out there!
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They choose to serve their country. My advice is serve with honor and distinction.
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My advice is plain and simple, do what you can do, be who you are, listen to each other, learn from each other, stay professional and grow together as an effective combat team. Your gonna have some who doubt you, don't doubt yourself and trust your instincts.
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