Posted on Apr 22, 2016
What is your advice for Females joining the ranks of the combat jobs in the Military?
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I am an Army Recruiter and it would be great to share.
As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?
Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.
Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.
As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?
Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.
Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.
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My advice-know your boundaries. Working in such close proximity to the other sex, in an adrenaline filled situation, can be dangerous and cause you to make stupid choices. Before you get into that situation, be sure to know your boundaries. Don't shit where you eat.
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Here are some random thoughts. My perspective- I served over 20 years, MP, light infantry, aviation. My wife has served over 20 years- rigger, pilot, now a surgeon. Daughter is currently in AIT for a recently opened combat arms.
1. This is one you can't control but the Army needs to come to grips with. Not all women will have the build to endure the rigors of combat arms such as infantry and engineers. I think my daughter said about 30% of the females in her class had to reclassify due to stress injuries on their bodies, primarily their hips. Stamina they were fine. This is just in basic/AIT. I can't imagine what the long term effects will be on some of these kids.
2. What you can do is try to find girls who are already in good shape- soccer, lacrosse, field hockey players for example. mentally these girls will also probably have what they need to make it through; many probably already dealt with guys on the playing field. My daughter was a soccer player and has played against boys since she was little. They are use to being hot/cold/tired and miserable yet still performing.
3. Get them to the gym. Have them work on their core and other exercises that will protect their knees and hips. Look at what some of the sports I mentioned use. If you bring them in for PT don't waste their time. Show them exercises that can be done outside of the gym. Spartan.com has some great ones as an example.
4. Work on push ups since this seems to be a consistent weakness. About the only way to do this is to... Do tons of push up. Look at some of the links on how to improve push ups.
5. Get them on a good diet. Fortunately it seems the Army has changed in this respect. My daughter said in basic the drill sergeants were stressing proper nutrition, almost like a D1 sports team. Again, a female body is different and the places where they put on weight makes them prone to injuries.
Again, I go back to sports for examples. If a person is selected to play college sports they normally get a summer work out program that is very specific- diet and exercise. I think something like this would be helpful for recruits.
1. This is one you can't control but the Army needs to come to grips with. Not all women will have the build to endure the rigors of combat arms such as infantry and engineers. I think my daughter said about 30% of the females in her class had to reclassify due to stress injuries on their bodies, primarily their hips. Stamina they were fine. This is just in basic/AIT. I can't imagine what the long term effects will be on some of these kids.
2. What you can do is try to find girls who are already in good shape- soccer, lacrosse, field hockey players for example. mentally these girls will also probably have what they need to make it through; many probably already dealt with guys on the playing field. My daughter was a soccer player and has played against boys since she was little. They are use to being hot/cold/tired and miserable yet still performing.
3. Get them to the gym. Have them work on their core and other exercises that will protect their knees and hips. Look at what some of the sports I mentioned use. If you bring them in for PT don't waste their time. Show them exercises that can be done outside of the gym. Spartan.com has some great ones as an example.
4. Work on push ups since this seems to be a consistent weakness. About the only way to do this is to... Do tons of push up. Look at some of the links on how to improve push ups.
5. Get them on a good diet. Fortunately it seems the Army has changed in this respect. My daughter said in basic the drill sergeants were stressing proper nutrition, almost like a D1 sports team. Again, a female body is different and the places where they put on weight makes them prone to injuries.
Again, I go back to sports for examples. If a person is selected to play college sports they normally get a summer work out program that is very specific- diet and exercise. I think something like this would be helpful for recruits.
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Find a mentor fast and learn all you can. Pick wisely and make sure the leader you choice as a mentor is knowledgible in doctrine and has the experience to back it up! Finally, Never lay down with dog if you don't want flees!!!
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I don't really like to see this, But I know it's here. To build up our combat troops, and other fields on need in the sevices to our country. Combat is not where I would want to see them although I know they can do it.
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If you can do the task & get the mission done. That's all that matters . SAME requirements for all
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my advice is if you think you have what it takes then go for it. It will not be easy by any means and yes you do have a lot to prove not only to yourself but to the ones on your left and right. Just because you have the mentality " I can do anything a man can do", is not the right mindset for the obstacles you will have to overcome mentally and physically.
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I think the women should be working in the office and admistrative jobs that are very honorable and important.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
SPC Jim Jay Thank you for your opinion, but what advice would you have for them?
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While many of these posts offer very good advice for the recruits, many missed the what advice you need to accomplish the job of putting the right recruit with the right job.
I used to be in the Navy. The recruiters would send guys to become Navy Seals. They had to pass a physical test to go to that training.
One fellow had eye glasses. He was disqualified before he even did a push-up.
Guess how he felt? And I saw a lot of cases like this.
While as a recruiter you have to make your goals, know what the recruit needs to be able to do to accomplish the course. No one joins to fail.
Make sure these women are physically fit and meet the physical requirements needed to pass the course and do the job.
I know thy are coming out with a Physical ASVAB. Those guidelines seem a bit relaxed. I can blow them out and I am an old man who hasn't PTd in six months....
You may want to contact trainers in the programs and see what they think should be a base requirement (male and female) before having people sent to them.
If your sending people to programs to get a gold star and then they fail out, you are not helping them or the military.
I used to be in the Navy. The recruiters would send guys to become Navy Seals. They had to pass a physical test to go to that training.
One fellow had eye glasses. He was disqualified before he even did a push-up.
Guess how he felt? And I saw a lot of cases like this.
While as a recruiter you have to make your goals, know what the recruit needs to be able to do to accomplish the course. No one joins to fail.
Make sure these women are physically fit and meet the physical requirements needed to pass the course and do the job.
I know thy are coming out with a Physical ASVAB. Those guidelines seem a bit relaxed. I can blow them out and I am an old man who hasn't PTd in six months....
You may want to contact trainers in the programs and see what they think should be a base requirement (male and female) before having people sent to them.
If your sending people to programs to get a gold star and then they fail out, you are not helping them or the military.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
tradocnews.org/tag/occupational-physical-assessment-test/
We just field tested this on our recruiters. It's going to level the standard for people entering the Army with intentions of Combat Arms or Combat Service Support. The standing long jump requires me to jump longer than I am tall.
We just field tested this on our recruiters. It's going to level the standard for people entering the Army with intentions of Combat Arms or Combat Service Support. The standing long jump requires me to jump longer than I am tall.
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