Posted on Apr 22, 2016
What is your advice for Females joining the ranks of the combat jobs in the Military?
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I am an Army Recruiter and it would be great to share.
As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?
Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.
Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.
As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?
Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.
Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.
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The idea of women in combat is destructive to unit effectiveness and survival. It has been forced upon us by politicians who care more about votes than our lives or responsibilities. I don't believe in it outside of, perhaps, Air Groups - theoretically.
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My advice, from my brief stint as a Stinger Avenger Crew Member in the 90's:
1. Pack the packing list, then add extras. Test your ability to carry it before you attempt to carry it for 30 days.
2. Baby wipes!
3. Never expect the job to be "non-technical".
4. Get to know every single piece of equipment in your unit.
5. Prepare for rough language.
1. Pack the packing list, then add extras. Test your ability to carry it before you attempt to carry it for 30 days.
2. Baby wipes!
3. Never expect the job to be "non-technical".
4. Get to know every single piece of equipment in your unit.
5. Prepare for rough language.
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A female soldier wishing to be accepted in to the ranks of combat arms MOS's should prepare to meet male physical fitness standards. Those who don't will never be seen as anything but a burden to other members of the squad.
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if they can do the job, i have no problem. i have served alongside some great female Airmen. they are just as talented as their male counterparts. as long as they dont ask for any special treatment that the males dont get, then im all for it. like the SGT Major said, color and gender have no place in the military. you either can do, or you cant.
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Carry your own weight. Nobody has any room to complain if you can at least carry your own crap.
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Motivate yourself at all time
Listen and pay attention to details
Willing to learn
Work hard and you be fine.
Listen and pay attention to details
Willing to learn
Work hard and you be fine.
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The best advice I can give is for them to set their goals and stick to them. Give maximum effort and treat the task at hand as they would any other dream they have.
Even more importantly, ignore the white noise! I feel that they will continue to face adversity through dissidents that you spoke of before. However, they do belong and they have ability to prove it to their naysayers. Mentorship will play a large role in empowering these young women to strive for greatness... But awesome leadership and mentoring will be required for leader's currently in the field as well. Large scale changes that go against old military traditions requires acceptance from the top down. Only then will we truly be able to maximize our integrated force.
I for one and excited about the new changes as other militaries around the world have proven that women can play a huge role in combat arms.
Even more importantly, ignore the white noise! I feel that they will continue to face adversity through dissidents that you spoke of before. However, they do belong and they have ability to prove it to their naysayers. Mentorship will play a large role in empowering these young women to strive for greatness... But awesome leadership and mentoring will be required for leader's currently in the field as well. Large scale changes that go against old military traditions requires acceptance from the top down. Only then will we truly be able to maximize our integrated force.
I for one and excited about the new changes as other militaries around the world have proven that women can play a huge role in combat arms.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
SFC (Join to see) This is one of my favorite responses. You are absolutely right that the change will need to be accepted from the top down. If your leader doesn't have faith in new policy, you will not either.
I too am very excited to see the changes. The best people for the job with end up in Combat Arms.
I too am very excited to see the changes. The best people for the job with end up in Combat Arms.
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remember,you are no better or worse than any other person you share a foxhole with. do not tolerate abuse but do not ask for special treatment. you do not get respect you earn respect. watch your buddy's back and they will watch yours.you are part of a team. if you need help ask. if someone needs help offer help not criticism. these words of advice come from an old man and apply to anyone of any gender. remember that at least one person loves you and will honor you for your service
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Give it a try Sarge.
It HASN'T sailed AT ALL as no female has LIGITIMATELY passed any advanced combat course in the history of the Army.
NOR will any standards be lowered to accomodate them as that would be suicide
Once this administration and it's RIDICULOUS social attacks are 86ed, THEN well see.
It HASN'T sailed AT ALL as no female has LIGITIMATELY passed any advanced combat course in the history of the Army.
NOR will any standards be lowered to accomodate them as that would be suicide
Once this administration and it's RIDICULOUS social attacks are 86ed, THEN well see.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
SPC Franklin McKown I think her graduating at the TOP of her class proves otherwise.
http://www.army.mil/article/163932/Army_s_first_woman_cannoneer_finishes_top_of_class/
http://www.army.mil/article/163932/Army_s_first_woman_cannoneer_finishes_top_of_class/
Army's first woman cannoneer finishes top of class
The Army's first woman cannon crewmember is set to graduate Advanced Individual Training March 11, 2016, as the distinguished honor graduate.
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SPC Franklin McKown
Unless we can VERIFY that better than they did on the ranger graduates I have seen TOO many lies called facts.
I doubt it will continue in it's current form. A top down review and reinstatement of lost personnel to the clown in chief's actions is first in order. There must also be a method of support MOSs that has a more functional promotion structure, rather than attempt to deny nature and possibly open up innocent women to a draft under combat arms under our current method of war which is primarily ,attack. I have 2 ,2 year degrees and 3 years of a BA. I wouldn't bother comparing any education against the hard pragmatic truth of combat. Most of it is forgotten when a bullet whizzes by your head.
SO long as the standards are maintained I HAVE no beef to stop this. ALL I can say to the ladies is ISRAEL has stated then women had prevalence for stress injuries and accidents ,so much so they were pulled from armor. I am NOT against women moving ahead. But I WILL NEVER accept a watered down force that will fail.
I doubt it will continue in it's current form. A top down review and reinstatement of lost personnel to the clown in chief's actions is first in order. There must also be a method of support MOSs that has a more functional promotion structure, rather than attempt to deny nature and possibly open up innocent women to a draft under combat arms under our current method of war which is primarily ,attack. I have 2 ,2 year degrees and 3 years of a BA. I wouldn't bother comparing any education against the hard pragmatic truth of combat. Most of it is forgotten when a bullet whizzes by your head.
SO long as the standards are maintained I HAVE no beef to stop this. ALL I can say to the ladies is ISRAEL has stated then women had prevalence for stress injuries and accidents ,so much so they were pulled from armor. I am NOT against women moving ahead. But I WILL NEVER accept a watered down force that will fail.
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