Posted on May 13, 2014
What is your favorite "Officer vs. NCO" anecdote?
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When I was on orders at the NASIC one of contractor colleagues was a retired navy Chief. He said he once had a young ensign report aboard and come to the Chief's shop as the DIVO, and immediately started ordering sailors around. The Chief said he told the ensign to sit dow, shut up, and leave his people alone. And that if the ensign had a problem with it they could go straight to theXO now.
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"It takes a college degree to break it and a high school diploma to fix it" That's always how I viewed the military. You want it done go yo your NCO's want it messed up ask an officer to do it. Being airwing about all officers I knew were pilots and jad about as much sense a chicken poop on a well handle.
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A Platoon Sergeant and his Platoon Leader are bunking down in the field for
the night. The Platoon Sergeant looks up and says, "When you see all the
stars in the sky, what do you think, sir?"
The LT replies, "Well, I think of how insignificant we really are in the
universe; how small a piece of such a grand design. I can't help but wonder
if what we do truly means anything or makes any difference. Why? What do
you think of, Sergeant?"
"I think somebody stole the damn tent."
the night. The Platoon Sergeant looks up and says, "When you see all the
stars in the sky, what do you think, sir?"
The LT replies, "Well, I think of how insignificant we really are in the
universe; how small a piece of such a grand design. I can't help but wonder
if what we do truly means anything or makes any difference. Why? What do
you think of, Sergeant?"
"I think somebody stole the damn tent."
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I am currently retired and work for the Federal Government. While serving and currently in my position today, I am still seeing how Officers take advantage of investments and Financial stability more than NCO's. During my service, officers always had the upper hand on investments or the inside scoop on financial decision making. And now that I am out, I have seen more officers join my business and becoming financially free compare to the NCO Corp. If so many officers are taking advantage of this opportunity, and becoming success stories, why are the NCO's unaware and/or scared???
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SFC (Join to see)
I haven't seen that per se, however, I think there are two differences: First, is that Officers typically at the O-3 level and above, have more cash to invest outright than NCOs. By the time an NCO is making a decent enough wage, He's a SSG or more likely a SFC or higher. Also, most NCOs, before they became NCOs, have put themselves (myself included once upon a time) into the credit card/debt cycle that is so hard to get out of. We get into the "gotta-have-it-now" and "I can just put it on credit" mentalities when we're junior Soldiers, and most of us never get out of it.
A second point is: Officers typically have 4-6 years of college education by the time they start their full time active duty service. This puts them at an advantage because they have in almost every case, had economics courses, so they have an idea of how economics works. Most junior Soldiers I've known in my career, don't have a clue, and worse, don't care about economics, so they wind up making poor choices, and possibly getting burned in the process, which can scare them off.
The answer to resolve this problem, would be for the military to teach, during Basic, AIT, and once every two or three years after that, the principles taught by Dave Ramsey (http://www.daveramsey.com/home/) to every Soldier, esp. those below the rank of SSG. However, I also think we have way to many classes in the military as it is now - the difference is, most of the classes that are currently required are pretty worthless - esp. after you've had them presented 2x a year for 20+ years...
A second point is: Officers typically have 4-6 years of college education by the time they start their full time active duty service. This puts them at an advantage because they have in almost every case, had economics courses, so they have an idea of how economics works. Most junior Soldiers I've known in my career, don't have a clue, and worse, don't care about economics, so they wind up making poor choices, and possibly getting burned in the process, which can scare them off.
The answer to resolve this problem, would be for the military to teach, during Basic, AIT, and once every two or three years after that, the principles taught by Dave Ramsey (http://www.daveramsey.com/home/) to every Soldier, esp. those below the rank of SSG. However, I also think we have way to many classes in the military as it is now - the difference is, most of the classes that are currently required are pretty worthless - esp. after you've had them presented 2x a year for 20+ years...
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SSG Maurice Wright MS/MBA
SFC Marc Wayman, that was an awesome explanation of the mindsets between the two. I thank you for your great insight on this subject. If you don't mind, I would like to use portions of this to explain the differences. Unanimously of course!!!
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Being in tanks my "home" was usually a 40mm box hanging off the gypsy rack. More than once, it was shot to pieces or just blown away. Because of this I was always in short supply of utilities (OD) so I supplemented with Korean camo from the ROKMC we were working with. My sometimes TC, Lt Duffy had called me on being out of uniform at least once. One night at "One Rear", a small operating area in the Korean compound where we all (Officer, comms, cook and crews) slept in one hootch. I hear Lt, Duffy ask, out of the dark, "Cpl. Fresch , I thought we had a discussion about your being out of uniform?" I begged ignorance, "I have pictures!" he responded. While I was in Hoi An at MACV giving an un-official class in the .30 MG to some army officers, apparently someone had snapped my picture, in complete camo, save for my OD Marine cover. Ooops!
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A really good one I've heard is:
What's the difference between an O-1 and an E-3? An E-3 has been promoted twice. :)
What's the difference between an O-1 and an E-3? An E-3 has been promoted twice. :)
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Had a CPO do a lot of stuff to us because our DIVO didn't know anything. He was an Ensign, ground officer put in charge of Aircraft Division.
When the Ensign learned, however, sparks flew and we had a lot of fun watching
When the Ensign learned, however, sparks flew and we had a lot of fun watching
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PO2 Rocky Kleeger
One day, we got a Bravo Zulu from the MO (Atta Boy from the Maintenance Officer). This chief was so happy, he gave the entire shop EMI. He didn't feel that he had to go through the DIVO for this. When the DIVO found out, he was mad enough to sh-t a small yak. This chief then held a formation,without the DIVO present, to inform us that no one was to talk to ANY E-7, or above, without him being present.
The middle part of this story is funny as hell involving the XO, MO and DIVO, but too long to type. The end is that this chief held another formation, this time with the DIVO standing right behind him, with the smoke coming out his ass. This chief then informed us that the command to not talk to any "Khaki" present was rescinded.
The middle part of this story is funny as hell involving the XO, MO and DIVO, but too long to type. The end is that this chief held another formation, this time with the DIVO standing right behind him, with the smoke coming out his ass. This chief then informed us that the command to not talk to any "Khaki" present was rescinded.
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Sgt Michael Cotter
Funny how this happens. I was in FAST Co. an anti-terror unit full of grunts. then we got our new SNCO who was an air winger. This too was fun watching.
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Officers vs. NCO's golf scramble. Top 3 out of 13 teams NCO's!! NCO's lead the way!!!
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