Posted on Aug 1, 2015
SPC Andrew Griffin
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Responses on here show how ignorant and misinformed people are. This is, however, an opinion-based website and facts don't usually get in the way of a good ole stereotypical statement. I've even read that "black lives matter" is racist. Wow. Of course all lives matter. But would you go into the cancer ward of a children's hospital and question their support/fight to beat cancer with "AIDS patients matter" too! Don't talk about what you haven't experienced and don't comment on something you can't relate to. Black lives do matter and that moniker was created for a specific reason. Any attempt to minimize it or discredit it shows your lack of empathy, lack of knowledge, prejudice or all three.
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SPC David Hannaman
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Worst slogan ever for a good cause.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
~ Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

I believe there is trash in all walks of life... I see more meth-heads and people who's profession is to be a tick on the community's ass (in the form of government programs), that are of the same race as I am than other races.

In my mind, race has no bearing... EVERY case of a life taken by police, other civilians, corporate greed, etc., should be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Adolph Hitler convinced a nation that certain demographics were "undesirable" and that "society would be better off if they were disposed of"... I feel it's my patriotic duty to defend all people, and if I disagree with their culture, change it by including them in MY culture. It worked with the Irish... I love kissing a pretty redhead on St Patrick's day!
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SPC Training Room Nco
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I think it is absolutely ridiculous. All lives matter. Black lives, Asian lives, White lives, Hispanic lives. ALL lives matter, and no race has any greater value over another. It is stupid media-based propaganda BS that only further ignnaites and incites the race wars and the hate crimes. It is ABSOLUTELY ABSURD.
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SGT John W Lugo
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Sorry,but that is a joke when Black on Black crimes are looked at differently. For it to become effective,use this forum or cause to make a impact and positive change like those who died such as Mr.King and Mrs.Parks,etc.
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PO2 Dennis Fritz
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Very plain and simple it should be "ALL LIVES MATTER".
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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My interpretation of it is as a subset of "Human Lives Matter".
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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I think it is racist. IF it read "ALL LIVES MATTER" then it would be appropriate. I think that saying that these <insert group here> lives matter implies that a group is deserving of special treatment because they belong to that group. I will respect no person who has not earned it. I will disrespect no person who has not earned it. I will treat people with dignity until they have proven that I over-estimated their humanity. This slogan is just what is wanted. Keep the American People divided by race. Don't let the American people come together as one and realize how badly they have been manipulated by hate mongers who are lining their pockets from the misery of others. Think about it realistically. Think of a group of people. Think of the most outspoken among that group for "equality" for that group. Now ask the question, is that person really interested in equality and humanity, or are they just stirring the pot? The answer is going to be that they are stirring the pot. Civil Rights leaders have gone from great people like JFK and MLK to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
Martin Luther King didn't talk about a world where black and white were separate entities. He spoke of, and lost his life for the belief that humanity should be equal.
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PO2 Information Systems Specialist
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Black lives matter.
I was given T-shirt with that slogan on it and I wear it proudly.
Unfortunately, I am reading some posts on this thread that were written by people that are likely the cause of this slogans existence. To say it's inherently racist is just defensive. Its all reactionary- because unfortunately is has become a necessity to iterate that black lives matter, because systemic racism tries to convince us otherwise.
In my opinion, "All lives matter" is generally more racist than the alternative. Not because it's untrue, it is, but because the entire purpose to the phrase "all lives matter" is to bring discredit to the slogan at hand. Another tool by the right to dampen the cries of the oppressed.
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This would have been a much better post if you left the "right' vs. 'left" debate out of it. Your statement further sows the seeds of discord that are dividing us all between "liberals" and "conservatives"; "right" and "left". I feel it completely undermines your entire argument.
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It's all fine and dandy to try and remove political polarization from the discussion, but far too idyllic to be realistic. This has unfortunately become an issue that runs along party lines. The 'seeds of discord' are another prop or phrase people can use to try and dissuade right activists and the like from stirring up trouble- even though that trouble could result in so much good.

When Michael Brown was murdered by Darren Wilson, the black community of my city was chastised for trying to expose the police for who they really were. All that got them was widespread criticism from an overwhelmingly racist part of the population- the right wing. The same thing happened when Eric Garner was killed. "He shouldnt have resisted" said the right. "He had been detained on the ground while the NYPD strangled him to death," the left and people with any sense replied.

When Tamir Rice was murdured, the right reiterated "he shouldnt have had a toy gun in the park, he brought it upon himself." To that I, as well as others that ACTUALLY believe that all lives matter, mentioned that if Tamir were white, the police would be at fault and not the boy.

Be upset if you will for exposing this as a partisan issue. It most definitely is- and if anything I believe it brings more credibility the issue, because at least someone is willing to be honest and address this issue with some integrity.

Black lives matter.
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SGT Anthony Rossi
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My first thought is that it is true! And that it doesn't undermine the value of anyother life. It's the same as saying "God Bless America". The phrase doesn't mean that I don't want another nation to be blest. It simply means my focus, at the moment, is on America!
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SPC Andrew Griffin, at the risk of offending you, I find the slogan racist. A*L*L Lives Matter, and that includes the police officer's life. But the thing that gets me is that people who want to have a confrontation with the police seem to be the last ones to hear, "Black Lives Matter." It's as if they want to be martyrs.

The big guy who had a heart attack from being choked several months ago ... What he was doing was illegal. He was asked, reasonably politely, to stop. He didn't. 6 cops gathered around him and he still felt that it was more important to argue with the police at the risk of his own life. The police ARE NOT going to back down, when they are enforcing the law. So EVERYONE, regardless of color, should recognize that it's YOUR life you are risking when you want to have a physical confrontation with the police. (And that's EXACTLY what you are asking for if you get in an argument with the police. This isn't debating club and no judge is going to award you points for eloquence. There's only TWO possible endings: 1) Yes, officer, I'll do as you say, or 2) You wind up at the bottom of a flesh pile with your arms twisted behind your back and someone's forearm around your neck.)

And then there's Baltimore (I think) where the Mayor flat out says the police are going to back away so people can express their anger. And what happens? Black businesses are looted and burned to the ground by black thugs. Yep, there was no one killed by a white police officer that day, but does black livelihood matter? The guy who owns the business that feeds his family and pays his mortgage - does that matter?

I could be wrong, but it seems that I mostly hear that as an excuse from gangsters who want to loot and their apologists like Al Sharpton. But what I'd like to hear is from the owners of the businesses burnt to the ground, or the workers who lost the jobs they had when the business was looted to bare walls ... is this an appropriate response for something bad that shouldn't have happened, and are you satisfied with the cost you had to pay for it?
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SPC Alejandro Martinez
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Great Answer!!!!!
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