Posted on Oct 13, 2014
What ONE incorrectly depicted thing pisses you off most about military movies?
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My question is really no more complicated than that.
For me, it is the rendering of the salute. Hands down. No second place. This pisses me off to no end!
In my opinion, this is THE most important of all military courtesies, and it should always be given with the most possible precision and exacting attention to detail.
FFS! It is something that is taught to every 'cruit in week 1 of basic training! It is perfected throughout training! In a military movie, this should be the EASIEST thing to get right!
It seems to me, that if an actor or actress can spend weeks or months learning hundreds, if not thousands of lines of dialog for a movie, they can at least spend an afternoon or a day, practicing with the advisor (there is ALWAYS an advisor who is a Vet or SM) on the set until they get it right.
I know there are bigger, or more obvious problems with some military movies. Weapons or uniforms or lingo that is anachronistic to the time period of the battle on screen...but DAMMIT, getting the salute wrong in any time period just frosts my shorts!
Usually, it's a fail with what I call the, "I'm shading my eyes from the sun" salute. Your f'n hand doesn't belong on your forehead like you're trying to watch the right fielder shag the fly ball! It belongs where you were TAUGHT to place it!
I find myself commenting out loud to friends, while watching movies that jack this up...they don't seem to understand why it pisses me off so much.
What does it for you?
For me, it is the rendering of the salute. Hands down. No second place. This pisses me off to no end!
In my opinion, this is THE most important of all military courtesies, and it should always be given with the most possible precision and exacting attention to detail.
FFS! It is something that is taught to every 'cruit in week 1 of basic training! It is perfected throughout training! In a military movie, this should be the EASIEST thing to get right!
It seems to me, that if an actor or actress can spend weeks or months learning hundreds, if not thousands of lines of dialog for a movie, they can at least spend an afternoon or a day, practicing with the advisor (there is ALWAYS an advisor who is a Vet or SM) on the set until they get it right.
I know there are bigger, or more obvious problems with some military movies. Weapons or uniforms or lingo that is anachronistic to the time period of the battle on screen...but DAMMIT, getting the salute wrong in any time period just frosts my shorts!
Usually, it's a fail with what I call the, "I'm shading my eyes from the sun" salute. Your f'n hand doesn't belong on your forehead like you're trying to watch the right fielder shag the fly ball! It belongs where you were TAUGHT to place it!
I find myself commenting out loud to friends, while watching movies that jack this up...they don't seem to understand why it pisses me off so much.
What does it for you?
Saluting
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Improper communications protocol. Eveery time I hear "over and out" or "wilco" when there is nothing to comply to, or failure to use call signs, it drives me nuts. Then again I was 31C RATT operator when I was in, that might have something to do with that.
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MSG John Wirts
Right on! Over indicates I have conveyed my message and am awaiting a response. If the distant party has no response the correct sign off is code name and out. Over AND OUT is a contradiction of terms. Your other point Wilco, I have heard (in movies) roger and wilco. My experience is that roger is a proper response meaning understood, or on repeat back you got it right. My most ridiculous call sign was "Fluffy Coaches" the correct response to a message which had been correctly received and repeated was "Fluffy Coaches, Roger".
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SFC Sean Carlson
How about when they say "repeat" (insert additional dialog here) over. Repeat... really. So some gun btry on the same frequency hears that and repeats the last fire mission.
And for just a chuckle.
Roger Murdock: Flight 2-0-9'er, you are cleared for take-off.
Captain Oveur: Roger!
Roger Murdock: Huh?
Tower voice: L.A. departure frequency, 123 point 9'er.
Captain Oveur: Roger!
Roger Murdock: Huh?
Victor Basta: Request vector, over.
Captain Oveur: What?
Tower voice: Flight 2-0-9'er cleared for vector 324.
Roger Murdock: We have clearance, Clarence.
Captain Oveur: Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?
Tower voice: Tower's radio clearance, over!
Captain Oveur: That's Clarence Oveur. Over.
Tower voice: Over.
Captain Oveur: Roger.
Roger Murdock: Huh?
Tower voice: Roger, over!
Roger Murdock: What?
Captain Oveur: Huh?
Victor Basta: Who?
And for just a chuckle.
Roger Murdock: Flight 2-0-9'er, you are cleared for take-off.
Captain Oveur: Roger!
Roger Murdock: Huh?
Tower voice: L.A. departure frequency, 123 point 9'er.
Captain Oveur: Roger!
Roger Murdock: Huh?
Victor Basta: Request vector, over.
Captain Oveur: What?
Tower voice: Flight 2-0-9'er cleared for vector 324.
Roger Murdock: We have clearance, Clarence.
Captain Oveur: Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?
Tower voice: Tower's radio clearance, over!
Captain Oveur: That's Clarence Oveur. Over.
Tower voice: Over.
Captain Oveur: Roger.
Roger Murdock: Huh?
Tower voice: Roger, over!
Roger Murdock: What?
Captain Oveur: Huh?
Victor Basta: Who?
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Improper saluting in movies doesn't seem inaccurate to me. I am honestly not sure if my salute has ever been returned properly. It almost seems like the teach naval officers a different way to salute!
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Full Metal Jacket Sniper Scene
Scene from Full Metal Jacket were they search the sniper which killed their brothers in arms.
Full Metal Jacket as we know is a great movie. But I can't understand why such a lethal sniper can't take out joker when they're 25 yards apart. Would it have killed her to put the weapon in her shoulder instead of shooting from the hip? Their military consultant must have been out sick the day they shot that scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XNyNAjF1m0#t=95
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XNyNAjF1m0#t=95
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I can't decide which of the three is least convincing!? Dustin Hoffman, Cuba Gooding Jr or Donald Sutherland? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBEpCGcQeU
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I hate when a team goes rouge against orders to safe someone or something. When they return to base they are never disciplined, and only one or two have died. This kind of portrait of what the armed forces does is dangerous. To the young who want to join and for the civilian who will expect the impossible from those soldiers. I cant watch the military movies anymore. Its a lie to all that watch it and believe in it.
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The show Stargate is horrible, terrible, awful and just plain bad when it comes to anything military. I love SF but I just turn off that part of my brain and just ignore it.
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1LT William Clardy
But the question was about military shows, TSgt Phil Textor. Stargate just depicts the Air Force, so where's the military connection?
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Cpl Phil Hsueh
SG-1 wasn't bad because they had the Air Force onboard and they had a consultant on set. It only really got bad when they did Atlantis and later SG:U and had no Air Force involvement at all.
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I take it no one has seen Battleship?! LoL
But the "best" one was from Armageddon, when the scientist dude was trying to sabotage the satellite uplink to delay setting of the nuke....it was the USAF SP that didn't just tell him to step away from the console, he THEN sat down and proceed to reconnect the uplink. I was an SP MWD handler. I know for a fact, that we only seemed to know how to break stuff...let alone put anything back together! LoL :)
But the "best" one was from Armageddon, when the scientist dude was trying to sabotage the satellite uplink to delay setting of the nuke....it was the USAF SP that didn't just tell him to step away from the console, he THEN sat down and proceed to reconnect the uplink. I was an SP MWD handler. I know for a fact, that we only seemed to know how to break stuff...let alone put anything back together! LoL :)
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For me, it's the hair. They go into these movies, say hoah things and do hoah things, but the hair takes all the real out of it. No soldier would look like any of the actors that portray them...
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
Don't know how it is now, but when I was in we had one barber kit per company. It stayed at the base camp. We might get back there once every 6-8 weeks. In between we really did not worry about hair, nor even shaving that much. Might get a chance to shave every 5 days or so. On the positive side, the XO, company clerk, supply sergeant and mess folks had neat hair cuts. :-)
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I can deal with the uniform discrepancies, I just hate the unrealistic battle scenes. I love that anytime a good guy gets shot they are able to continue the fight and bring it to the enemy, but if they hit the enemy in the came place, then that guy drops immediately, I know it shows American Bravado and so on, but come on.
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SGT (Join to see)
Or it's almost always one shot one kill to the bad guys, regardless of where they were shot or what they were shot with
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SGM Robin Johnson
And there can be four bad guys with automatic weapons who hit NO ONE, but the one good guy with a pistol and four bullets left takes them out.
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