What reasons have you heard that resulted in someone getting looked at for QMP? Personal differences, misunderstandings, missed appts etc?

SSG (Join to see) Your opinions, your experience, so your post..Not going to say anything about what you stated.

My experience my opinion, guilty folks rarely, if ever admit they are guilty.
In reference to NJP and the decision to request trial by CM, TDS does not recommend anything period... they can not, they do not... They explain the options and it is the Soldiers decision to make based on what they want... TDS will require teh Sm view a video in most cases, read some Info paper, and then they can ask questions like, what are the possible punishments either way? What are the elements of the specification the prosecutor or judge must prove?
If the SM asks the TDS clerk or lawyer "what should I do?" they will not get an answer.
Is it possible the service member that observed the violation, the commander, the JAG team that reviewed the case, the commander that held the NJP event, and the next higher reviewer for that action were all co-conspirators in the fraudulent conviction of the servicemember, sure, anything is possible, but most things are not likely.
Has any servicemember ever been QMp'ed and separated through no fault of thier wowe, meaning the derogatory info used to make the decision was either fraudulent of underserved, the QMP board did not see that and the review process after QMP upheld the action to separate the QMP'ed SM? Sure, Im sure it has happened... likely in statistically non relevant numbers...
So when darn near every QMP'd Sm has a story to tell why it's not thier fault, they were not guilty of that DUI, everybody is out to get me... i was only every late to one appointment and they gave me a field grade ART....it's all a bit hard to believe, seeing as i've reviewed records of just those types of cases upon SM requests and when you point out all the supporting events and derogatory info.. the SM tries to explain it all away, justify that was not there fault... ect ect ect.

So yes I admit it likely has happened, but I believe the overall numbers of such cases are infinitesimally small. Even one is too many.... but that is a much different position and discussion then this one in which some claim many are wrongly QMP'd.

Heck I'm up for the challenge.. if a SM that was selected for QMP wants to lay it all out, be honest and completely forthcoming .. Make the claim they were wrongly QMP'd and then provide me all the background, history, units served with, complete military file, not just what i can get with a FOIA, but off of it.. I'll review it all and provide a pointed response supporting the QMP action or if found, showing why it should not have happened.

SGM Erik Marquez - I can show you my whole file SGM with no problem. I will have 12 years in the military come June. I have never received so much as an FTR throughout my career. I did fail tape in 2012 and the following month was out of the program and haven't seen it since. On January 2015 I had a urinalysis with a different unit since we didn't have anyone qualified at fort stewart. A change of command occurred on April 1st. On April 22 I was given a counseling stating that I would might be put in for UCMJ for the sample being outside human urine. I didn't know what it meant so I went to my buddy Google and it talked about diluted sample so of course I figured I would have another urinalysis and of course I wondered why I didn't have one since the one in January. During this time I was put in MRT for June which was signed off by the BN CDR. On may 26 I had my 1st reading and I was finally able to see the packet. The Article 15 was for not following a order and signing knowing it was a false statement. In the packet my observer wrote her statement stating that she saw the sample leave my body and it was no where near water and nothing unusual happened. A statement from the UPL stating that he did his checks and nothing was unusual with any of the samples but apparently once it got to the lab they state that nothing but water was in the sample. No color, just plain water.
Of course I go to TDS and I told him that I want to go court martial. I was told that he did not recommend it because court martial could take up to an year and they will start building a packet on me and if I even get a traffic violation can be put in the packet and if I get convicted of anything I would have to circle yes to being convicted of a federal crime as a civilian and the degree that I'm trying to pursue is Social Worker. He told me that it was not court martial worthy and I can beat it in an article 15 hearing since I had the statements and they wrote me a statement as well. My sister is a lawyer in Florida so I sent her my packet so she can look at it and she told me to research the lab and find any mistakes that have been made in the amount of time that I have been in the military. I printed out two different IG complaints and turned them in as mitigation. On June 8 was my second reading, I walked in confident that I was going to beat the case. The LTC didn't even take more than 5 minutes to review my mitigation paperwork, told me to step out. Two minutes later I walked back in and he said that he wouldn't take my rank because how well I spoke and how well my chain of command spoke about me. He took off the signing the ledger knowing it was false and left the not following a lawful order. 45 days extra duty and suspended rank. I appealed it of course and was told that the observer might have not been paying attention and maybe the UPL was so busy he didn't do his checks properly. When I said that it's their job and why am I standing here alone if they didn't do what they were suppose to do correctly, he said that if I continue to have an attitude he will revoke my appeal, take my rank and I will be RCPing by next week. Told me to get some lab work to see if I had diabetes since there is a type that you can pee water. I took the test came out clean and he denied my appeal. Place my file in restricted and told me that I shouldn't worry because I can bounce back. Now I'm up for the QMP June Board. My daughter graduates this month and can't even use my Post 911 because if I do get out I would have to pay anything she uses back so we are working on getting scholarships for now. I can't imagine that I'm the only one that something bias has happened to. I just think it's not right to think that qmp people are hiding something or lying off the bat.

And I got a 2/1 NCOER for the time of the incident, all yes on values and 3 months later was selected as the detachment SGT over two NCOs that had more time in service and rank than I did

SSG (Join to see) - Right so you were presented an Art for adjudication.. what is your point?
We were discussing being looked at for QMP due to "Personal differences, misunderstandings, missed appts etc?"
None of which have anything to do with the violation you have been charged with..
If your not guilty, dont accept NJP, if you are guilty, choose wisely.
And yes of course, your position is you did nothing wrong, some commander just felt like writing up a ART 15 on you and putting them self under a microscope from their rater and senior rater and Review just for kicks????
Sorry no... If you were presented with NJP, it is because the commander with NJP authority and the servicing JAG believes it is supportable.
Now mistakes happen, misunderstanding occur..
Thats why the SM charged gets a trial counsel, that is why the SM charged gets to speak on their behalf, have someone else do so, can hire a lawyer.. Or choose not to accept NJP, and see if the commander wants to take it to CM, where if so, you now get an Army lawyer at no cost, or one you hire.

There are a lot of people getting screwed. Numerous stories of b.s. and shenanigans between rater and SM. Even heard of a guy who was going to the QMP board because of ART for missing an appointment. Its ridiculous, all the while true dirtbags get overlooked because they finally did one thing right.

This year's Board looked at records for the following reasons.
AND Under the QMP process it has to be derogatory information that has happened within the rank that you currently hold
Reasons
A letter of reprimand issued by a general officer.
Conviction by court-martial, or punishment under Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
NCO evaluation reports under the DA Form 2166-8 series or 2166-9 series rating system that document a relief for cause, indicate non-compliance with Army standards, or a senior rater rating of “unqualified” for overall potential.
An academic evaluation report that documents an NCO Education System course failure.
Failure to qualify for promotion consideration because the NCO did not complete the required NCOES course for his or her grade. Under this provision, staff sergeants must complete the Advanced Leader Course, and sergeants first class the Senior Leader Course, before reaching 48 months in grade.

An NCO that had anything more than a Summarized ART 15 for "missing an appointment" had more going on than just that.
And darn right a missed appointment can and should result in NJP under some conditions. I watched classes canceled because then min numbers for attendance were not met.. thousands of dollars spent and canceled class, Soldiers time wasted, Soldiers going untrained because class was canceled, all because some NCO could not get out of bed in time and get to his appointed place of duty on time...
Every month I watched dozens of NCO's and NCO wannabees show up for The Basic Leader Course (BLC), formerly the Warrior Leader Course (WLC) and Primary Leadership Development Course (PLDC) inprocessing LATE, missing paperwork that was listed on the checklist, missing equipment on the checklist... All great candidates for the next QMP

SSG (Join to see)
Do you have any details?
As an unfounded sharp complaint is not considered derogatory and would hold no weight with a QMP board, would not be mentioned an a NCOER

Is this a "some one said " deal?
My wife is a corrections officer , she tells me there are no guilty people at her prison ,,, she knows that because the inmates tell her so...
Same with QMP'd servimembes from what I can tell

I was under a sharp investigation my ncoer was due. Due to regulation I had to get a no in the values block. Investigation was completed. Came back unfounded. Still trying to fight it. But nobody can seem to find the paperwork.

SSG (Join to see) - Ongoing investigations CANNOT be mentioned on NCOERs. THAT is regulation. Once the investigation is concluded, then it can be mentioned. What regulation says someone under investigation HAS TO get "No" for Army Values? What reg, chapter?

I don't remember which on but it was a milper message that came down. It doesn't matter, because I sent up paperwork the information to fight the NCOER and the QMP but still got the boot. Its all good, I was already in the process of starting the med board, so that's the route that I went. It just sucks that 8yrs and only 1 time getting in trouble and my worst NCOER was a 1-2 which was the one where I got in trouble. But its water under the bridge, just not enough room in the military for me anymore.

Can't wait to see what comes in.

WIWADS, my 1SG didnt like me, I said something to a PVT, comment was blown way out of context,1SG gave me a bad NCOER, pushed for local LOR, fired me from SDS, moved to another battery... all because he would rather give hugs and candy than yell at a PVT. 5 years later here I am still a SSG because of that prick.

Sounds familiar

... And I was retained.