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I'm in the 101st now. I'm actually in a CAV unit as a grunt and we fast rope more than any other forscom unit on Campbell. Is flying in a hot DZ more dangerous than dropping in?
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They aren't really comparable. There isn't a situation where you would do both. You would never use rappelling from a helicopter in almost any situation. You would only fast rope a small element, and usually only when you are putting a small element on a very specific location like a building, only when the risk of fast roping outweighs the issue of landing a helicopter in an LZ further away for an air assault.
On the other hand, jumping is inherently dangerous. You're one minor mistake from becoming a lawn dart, or a towed jumper. Jumping is useful for inserting small teams a distance from the target, or for inserting an overwhelming force onto an airfield and opening it for follow on forces. The airborne can also be inserted deeper into hostile territory than air assault. It's just different tools for different missions. In airborne units I've worked in we practiced both skill sets.
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I'm in a Recon unit so we fast rope in a single 8 man team and stay for 72+ hrs. This maybe 3 clicks away but it is still forward of your furthest element. So as you would drop from 800ft in the dark hopefully. It would cause not much noise but you would pop in a radar if they haven't been destroyed. Fast roping or dismounting a helicopter may not pop you up on a radar if your low enough but the bird will have to hover or land to let you egress. So this is where I draw the line and ask for opinions.
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Those in Airborne status receive a $150 extra a month for HAZARDOUS DUTY. Airassault a big fat $0. Guess why?
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SPC Erich Guenther
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MSG Dan Castaneda - Repeatedly fail the course as some do on Fort Campbell until the 1SG gets tired of sending them or their tour ends (they should get booted from the Army but I have my doubts all of them do).......I have no idea what motivates people to deliberately fail an Army course.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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SPC Erich Guenther - A lack of motivation. A Soldier that says they do not want a badge should be booted.
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SGT Warren Crutcher
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MSG Dan Castaneda - Just like Specialists that try and get out of Promotion Boards. I never understood that either.
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They should bump that to $200…
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I don't think you get hazardous duty pay for being air assault, and air assault qualification is not a requirement for someone to participate in an air assault mission. However, with airborne you get extra pay, and being airborne qualified is a requirement to conduct airborne jumps. These are in place because of the inherent dangers.

Ok, so obviously I am biased too, but to the person who said they prefer helos over fixed wing: Paratroopers jump out of helos too. My last 3 jumps were helo airborne jumps (two Chinooks and one Blackhawk).
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SSG Robert Webster - Hold on a sec, you got an "Authorization to Wear" a maroon beret? I want one! They must not give those out in SOF units. More like a consolation prize for not getting to wear a green one... In any case, you clearly know your stuff. The only extra training I did for jumping out of airborne school was additonal training in jumping helos, and learning how to jump MC-6 (steerable/maneuverable canopy).
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SSG Robert Webster
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CW3 (Join to see) - LOL.
Consolation prize, why not. Though I think the look on my 1SG and Company Commander's faces was quite interesting when I explained to them why I received a letter from LTG(R) William P Yarborough (through the mail) and how I met him. One of these days I will need to scan it, and tell the story behind it.
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SFC Oddie Brown
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You are correct Chief. Great point.
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CSM Scott Stewart - I would argue that when there is a malfunction with parachute equipment, you are *much* more likely to die. Not to mention the numerous paratroopers that have suffered long-term injuries due to years of hard landings on the DZ.
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