Posted on Oct 24, 2015
What's the deal with the female GARRISON cover? Are female Marines authorized to wear the male garrison cover?
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Apparently this became an issue after a picture of a female Marine wearing what appeared to be a male garrison cover was posted on social media yesterday. (10/23/15)
There is nothing that I can find that SPECIFICALLY addresses this question. The Maradmin 658/13 says this:
AGENDA ITEM A: UNIVERSAL DRESS AND SERVICE CAPS
(1) RECOMMENDATION: ADOPT THE CURRENT MALE SERVICE AND DRESS FRAME CAP AS THE UNIVERSAL CAP FOR ALL MARINES (WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS TO MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE BUT MAINTAIN THE SAME DISTINCTIVE APPEARANCE).
CMC DECISION: APPROVED. FEMALE MARINES ARE AUTHORIZED TO WEAR THE CURRENT MALE DRESS AND SERVICE CAPS IMMEDIATELY, BUT WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO OWN THEM UNTIL THE MANDATORY POSSESSION DATE AS DETAILED BELOW.
It does not speak to the garrison cover... Can anyone give a reference that makes it clear? I think they issue the male version to females in bootcamp, but still can't find a reference. The uniform regs don't cover* it either.. (that was punny!)
Anyone?
There is nothing that I can find that SPECIFICALLY addresses this question. The Maradmin 658/13 says this:
AGENDA ITEM A: UNIVERSAL DRESS AND SERVICE CAPS
(1) RECOMMENDATION: ADOPT THE CURRENT MALE SERVICE AND DRESS FRAME CAP AS THE UNIVERSAL CAP FOR ALL MARINES (WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS TO MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE BUT MAINTAIN THE SAME DISTINCTIVE APPEARANCE).
CMC DECISION: APPROVED. FEMALE MARINES ARE AUTHORIZED TO WEAR THE CURRENT MALE DRESS AND SERVICE CAPS IMMEDIATELY, BUT WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO OWN THEM UNTIL THE MANDATORY POSSESSION DATE AS DETAILED BELOW.
It does not speak to the garrison cover... Can anyone give a reference that makes it clear? I think they issue the male version to females in bootcamp, but still can't find a reference. The uniform regs don't cover* it either.. (that was punny!)
Anyone?
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Has the issue with what is authorized for female Marines and male Marines become muddled because of 'President' Obama's trying to change the dress code last year? Why would a female Marine want to wear the male dress cover anyway?
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I think female Marines should just convert completely.
One thing that makes Marines stand out is uniformity to the point of stupidity.
I've never understood why males and females have separate uniforms and regulations.
Women are starting to inch their way into my job, which I've said in the past I have no problem with so long as they can preform.
With equality comes sacrifice. If that happens to be by means of individuality or sepritism, so be it. One day in the future I see female Marines be madated to get fades as well.
Although honestly I'd rather it go in the other direction because I hate this haircut.
One thing that makes Marines stand out is uniformity to the point of stupidity.
I've never understood why males and females have separate uniforms and regulations.
Women are starting to inch their way into my job, which I've said in the past I have no problem with so long as they can preform.
With equality comes sacrifice. If that happens to be by means of individuality or sepritism, so be it. One day in the future I see female Marines be madated to get fades as well.
Although honestly I'd rather it go in the other direction because I hate this haircut.
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I came in the Corps on 9/11/91. At that time, female Marines aka W.M. (Woman Marines) had their own version of the male Marine Garrison cover. As far as them actually wearing a males cover. Never saw anything as to them specifically not being able to!!!!
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' ADOPT THE CURRENT MALE SERVICE AND DRESS FRAME CAP AS THE UNIVERSAL CAP FOR ALL MARINES '
The garrison cap is the service cover, to be worn with the service uniform....
The garrison cap is the service cover, to be worn with the service uniform....
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'ADOPT THE CURRENT MALE SERVICE AND DRESS FRAME CAP AS THE UNIVERSAL CAP FOR ALL MARINES ' The service cap is the garrison cover.....
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Sgt Melinda Enfinger
I can't remember!! UGH!! It's been driving me crazy too! I wanted to post that picture instead of the ones I did. But you know...improvise, adapt, overcome and all that.... ;-)
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I don't know where it lays out gender-specific mandates in the uniform order anywhere, outside of accessories and shoes. The specifics of the maradmin clearly imply that mixing male-female items requires an exception though, so if Garrison caps are not included then there's no reason to assume anything has changed with them.
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Sgt Melinda Enfinger
SSgt (Join to see) ,
There are gender-specific mandates regarding items that are different between the male and female uniforms.
Are you saying that the specifics of the Maradmin that I posted "clearly imply that mixing male-femaie items requires an exception" or are you referencing a different Maradmin?
Regardless...Come on now, you've been in the Marine Corps long enough to know that NOTHING is ever "clearly implied". And the point is that I don't want to make an assumption.
There are gender-specific mandates regarding items that are different between the male and female uniforms.
Are you saying that the specifics of the Maradmin that I posted "clearly imply that mixing male-femaie items requires an exception" or are you referencing a different Maradmin?
Regardless...Come on now, you've been in the Marine Corps long enough to know that NOTHING is ever "clearly implied". And the point is that I don't want to make an assumption.
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Who cares? This is one of the biggest problems with the Marine Corps today...too many NCOs walking around actively seeking other Marines to "correct" over minutiae. "Hey there "devil", Maradmin blah blah blah says your hair is to be no longer than 3 in on top. It looks like yours is 3.2 in, and feel free to stand at parade rest while I humiliate you over this trivial matter", because there definitely isn't more important matters to worry about being a member of the warrior elite.
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SSgt (Join to see)
I would strongly disagree with you. NCO's enforce regulations, letting small issues slide will eventually undermine good order a discipline in a unit/Corps. If you don't wish to be corrected do the right thing. I would expect a statement like that from a LCpl, if you don't wish to uphold regulations feel free to give up that blood stripe.
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