Posted on Dec 14, 2018
What’s the proper way to correct someone when not saluting an officer?
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I was walking with a Navy LT and an Army Maj. (My hospital has both services) from the USO across the street to the hospital and a PFC passed and didn’t salute. I stopped and asked her, “Do enlisted soldiers not salute officers anymore?” The Maj. with me said I didn’t have to be so aggressive about it. What’s a better way of addressing it without coming off as aggressive?
Customs and Courtesies
Saluting
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You have to remember, he's a Army Major. In boot camp they train their soldiers by being mentors and not drill instructors. His response to U demonstrates exactly what I'm talking about. I bet if the navy lieutenant would have had the chance he or she would dressed him down like no tomorrow. Are you could have excused herself a few minutes from the presence of the officers and pull that PFC off to the side and gave them a Stern warning about military code of conduct and showing a proper respect to officers.
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I guess maybe a little humility would be in order. I think I can be correct when I say that if a leader were to think of himself for just one day, people may suffer that same day.
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The proper way is to keep walking and mind your business because everyone isn't going to know the rank of every person they pass on the street and neither they nor you have any real reason to care and you both likely have things of actual importance to worry about. Saluting serves no purpose other than to make you feel special. You're not.
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You were absolutely right in your approach. And you weren't aggressive in the least. However, the major should have taken the initiative as the senior person present and straightened out the troop. Not doing so is dereliction of duty and contributes to the problem. Share these thoughts with the young major. He (or she) needs an attitude adjustment.
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The Science of Assertiveness theory -- aka folk knowledge (trial and error science)
Assertive (Leadership) behavior of humans: Builds relationships
Will the long-term affects be worse than any short-term discomfort I may feel if I am assertive in the first place?
The word "NO", may have to be repeated over and over, as in a broken record.
An angry and loud communication can be assertive if one is expressing feelings (Using the word "I", ( I am really god damn anger at you ...)
vs. HOSTILE behavior-destroys a relationship: ... You dumb ass, didn't your mother teach you to report to work on time, etc. etc. Why, didn't you do such and such.... You should do such and such
If someone has a habit of saying, "Why, don't you do such and such..." we all understand this to mean "I want you" to do such and such. There seems to be some kind of a taboo in our culture against people saying straight up, that they want.
On the use of the word YOU:
...the use of the word "you" is assertive when a person is acting in the role of boss, parent, or leader, for example, a law enforcer, a teacher, the chair of a meeting.
When someone answers your request with “WHY? For example, “May I have a bit of your ice cream?” or “May I please sleep overnight at your house? “Why?” The assertive answer is “That was not an answer.”
"You are expected to" (follow the rules, etc) , then every time the other person comes up with excuses, sob stories, etc, repeating this phase again and again ("You are expected to" (aka using the broken record shows the other person that you are not afraid to stand your ground and they need for them to rethink their poor behavior.
But remember being skeptically silent is assertive. Meaning, if I try to get the last word.. will I get punched in the nose or some other bad result.
Speaking up in a group to speak is assertive because one is taking the "psychological space" of the whole group.
Hostile behavior: A person uses sarcasm and intimidation to get what they want. One may get what they want, but destroys the relationship afterwards.
It is easy to give up the benefits of hostile behavior when I value myself enough to avoid getting agitated over minor issues and when I am imperfect and incorrect.
Non-assertive behavior: (shy behavior) doing nothing about unpleasant situations and simply try to ignore ones feelings and desires. While it may prevent conflicts with others, one probably will wind up feeling helpless, exploited, angry, and disappointed with one’s self. Being “too shy” to do something.
For example, “I am sorry to bother you.” This is an example, of how being NICE sucks us into a non-assertive down-hill fall. vs. “I want to talk to you.” “ I need your help or I need or want to talk to you.”
or "It was nice talking to you." (when it wasn't and you didn't enjoy talking to them).
Basic Assertive Rights:
1. The right to act in ways that promote my dignity and self-respect as long as others’ rights are not violated in the process.
2. The right to be treated with respect.
3. The right to say no and not feel guilty.
4. The right to experience and express feelings.
5. The right to take time to slow down and think.
6. The right to change my mind.
7. The right to ask for what I want.
8. The right to do less than I are humanly capable of doing.
9. The right to ask for information.
10. The right to make mistakes.
11. The right to feel good about myself.
Must I always assert my rights?
No, I am always free to choose not to assert myself, assuming that I am also willing to take the responsibility for whatever consequences may then occur.
Source: The Assertive Option by Patricia Jakubowski and Arthur J. Lange
and NO TRESPASSING by Barker and Barker.
Assertive (Leadership) behavior of humans: Builds relationships
Will the long-term affects be worse than any short-term discomfort I may feel if I am assertive in the first place?
The word "NO", may have to be repeated over and over, as in a broken record.
An angry and loud communication can be assertive if one is expressing feelings (Using the word "I", ( I am really god damn anger at you ...)
vs. HOSTILE behavior-destroys a relationship: ... You dumb ass, didn't your mother teach you to report to work on time, etc. etc. Why, didn't you do such and such.... You should do such and such
If someone has a habit of saying, "Why, don't you do such and such..." we all understand this to mean "I want you" to do such and such. There seems to be some kind of a taboo in our culture against people saying straight up, that they want.
On the use of the word YOU:
...the use of the word "you" is assertive when a person is acting in the role of boss, parent, or leader, for example, a law enforcer, a teacher, the chair of a meeting.
When someone answers your request with “WHY? For example, “May I have a bit of your ice cream?” or “May I please sleep overnight at your house? “Why?” The assertive answer is “That was not an answer.”
"You are expected to" (follow the rules, etc) , then every time the other person comes up with excuses, sob stories, etc, repeating this phase again and again ("You are expected to" (aka using the broken record shows the other person that you are not afraid to stand your ground and they need for them to rethink their poor behavior.
But remember being skeptically silent is assertive. Meaning, if I try to get the last word.. will I get punched in the nose or some other bad result.
Speaking up in a group to speak is assertive because one is taking the "psychological space" of the whole group.
Hostile behavior: A person uses sarcasm and intimidation to get what they want. One may get what they want, but destroys the relationship afterwards.
It is easy to give up the benefits of hostile behavior when I value myself enough to avoid getting agitated over minor issues and when I am imperfect and incorrect.
Non-assertive behavior: (shy behavior) doing nothing about unpleasant situations and simply try to ignore ones feelings and desires. While it may prevent conflicts with others, one probably will wind up feeling helpless, exploited, angry, and disappointed with one’s self. Being “too shy” to do something.
For example, “I am sorry to bother you.” This is an example, of how being NICE sucks us into a non-assertive down-hill fall. vs. “I want to talk to you.” “ I need your help or I need or want to talk to you.”
or "It was nice talking to you." (when it wasn't and you didn't enjoy talking to them).
Basic Assertive Rights:
1. The right to act in ways that promote my dignity and self-respect as long as others’ rights are not violated in the process.
2. The right to be treated with respect.
3. The right to say no and not feel guilty.
4. The right to experience and express feelings.
5. The right to take time to slow down and think.
6. The right to change my mind.
7. The right to ask for what I want.
8. The right to do less than I are humanly capable of doing.
9. The right to ask for information.
10. The right to make mistakes.
11. The right to feel good about myself.
Must I always assert my rights?
No, I am always free to choose not to assert myself, assuming that I am also willing to take the responsibility for whatever consequences may then occur.
Source: The Assertive Option by Patricia Jakubowski and Arthur J. Lange
and NO TRESPASSING by Barker and Barker.
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WHEREAS some 3,099 architects and engineers (AE911truth.org,), some 320 skilled commercial of military pilots (Pilots for 9/11 Truth), some 600 PhD scientists and some 58 elected public officials are saying that scientific irrefutably evidence proves that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed by explosives,
And WHEREAS these experts believe the National Institute of Standards and Technology’s (NIST) committed criminal negligence (LIED) in doing their investigation and writing the final report and NIST made no recommendations to improve the steel makeup of future high rise buildings to prevent them from collapsing due to fires.
And WHEREAS David Ray Griffin, PhD lists over 100 lies included in the official 9/11 Commission report in his book, The 9/11Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions,
And WHEREAS 911 Commissioners Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton said that the FAA and NORAD did not tell the truth to the Commission, the Commission failed to bring charges against witnesses who they alleged gave false testimony, and 9/11 Commissioners former US Senators Bob Kerrey and Max Cleland called the Commission’s investigation a cover up,
And WHEREAS the group calling itself the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry has, as of the summer of 2018, petitioned with the US Attorney in Manhattan, New York to convene a Special Grand Jury (which may now being investigation 9/11, but we can not know this for sure because even the fact that a Grand Jury in the process of investigation, is classified or secret).
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Here is a very good video by 3099 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
https://www.ae911truth.org/continuing-ed/ae911-aag-l#p1
Irrefutable Evidence - The 9/11 Official Story is Total BS
about 20 pages with a more detailed 120 pages
send me an email at [login to see] and I will reply with it attach for free.
or For sale at Amazon Kindle books
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=Some%20Unpopular%20History%20of%20the%20United%20States%20
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WHEREAS in 1979 the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that President John F. Kennedy was probably killed as the result of a conspiracy,
WHEREAS In the past some five decades a massive amount of evidence compiled by journalists, historians and independent researchers confirms this conclusion,
WHEREAS This body of evidence strongly indicates that the conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy was organized at high levels of the U.S. power structure, and was implemented by top elements of the U.S. national security apparatus using, among others, figures in the criminal underworld to help carry out the crime and cover-up,
WHEREAS the CIA continues to obstruct evidence about the JFK assassination, routinely blocking legitimate Freedom of Information requests and defying the JFK Records Collection Act of 1992, preventing the release of thousands of government documents as required by the law,
WHEREAS the President Trump administration is failing to enforce the JFK Records Collection Act of 1992,
WHEREAS the main stream media, with its own myriad connections to the US national security establishment, aided the cover-up and scorned any journalists or researchers who raised questions about the official stories of the murder of John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy,
WHERE AS these four major political murders traumatized American life in the 1960s and cast a shadow over the country for decades thereafter,
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WHEREAS US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan) were briefed from 2002 to 2003 in about 30 private briefings, about the planned use of cruel, unusual and inhuman treatment, to include water-boarding, by former President George W. Bush and his subordinates,
The memo described techniques which the interrogators wanted to use: facial slap, solitary confinement, forced standing until your muscles hurt or give out (also noted as self-torture aka stress positions), sleep deprivation and sleep disruption, insects placed in a confinement, fear of dogs or other phobias, cramped confinement, subjection to extreme heat or extreme cold, restricting food or water, lighting on all the time or no views of the outside sunlight, sounds of people being tortured, loud sounds or music, 20-hour interrogations, and waterboard,
WHEREAS these Congress people had a Constitutional and legal duty to go public about the planned or on-going use of torture, ghost prisoners, secret jails, and kidnapping and rendition to proxy nations that torture, (all war crimes), notwithstanding that these activities were classified by Bush Administration. Also known as being an accessory before the fact to war crimes.
WHEREAS a crime against peace, in international law, refers to "planning, preparation, initiation, or waging of wars of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing" It is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED we demand the US Justice Department prosecute these Congress people for conspiracy to do war crimes.
We need leaders who are not afraid and will stand up to insure the law is faithfully executed like the US Constitution requires. As a candidate for public office, they are ten times more of an accessory after the fact for not demanding this?
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And Pelosi is the reason Congress did not prosecute Bush et al.
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WHEREAS US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan) were briefed from 2002 to 2003 in about 30 private briefings, about the planned use of cruel, unusual and inhuman treatment, to include water-boarding, by former President George W. Bush and his subordinates,
The memo described techniques which the interrogators wanted to use: facial slap, solitary confinement, forced standing until your muscles hurt or give out (also noted as self-torture aka stress positions), sleep deprivation and sleep disruption, insects placed in a confinement, fear of dogs or other phobias, cramped confinement, subjection to extreme heat or extreme cold, restricting food or water, lighting on all the time or no views of the outside sunlight, sounds of people being tortured, loud sounds or music, 20-hour interrogations, and waterboard,
WHEREAS these Congress people had a Constitutional and legal duty to go public about the planned or on-going use of torture, ghost prisoners, secret jails, and kidnapping and rendition to proxy nations that torture, (all war crimes), notwithstanding that these activities were classified by Bush Administration. Also known as being an accessory before the fact to war crimes.
WHEREAS a crime against peace, in international law, refers to "planning, preparation, initiation, or waging of wars of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing" It is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED we demand the US Justice Department prosecute these Congress people for conspiracy to do war crimes.
We need leaders who are not afraid and will stand up to insure the law is faithfully executed like the US Constitution requires. As a candidate for public office, they are ten times more of an accessory after the fact for not demanding this?
Prosecute Bush et al. for war crimes
And Pelosi is the reason Congress did not prosecute Bush et al.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ [login to see] 85520/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAN6fnV_Itk
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I think that the 2LT who commented was correct. One doesn't need to embarrass the soldier. As a former 1SG, I had much better results when corrections were handed privately...
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If it really bothers you to get a salute then simply walk over and try to shake their hand. I'm sure they will salute you before they shake your hand. Any reasonable Officer would not be to consumed with a missed salute. There are much bigger things to worry about as an Officer.
In my experience medical areas are no hat no salute areas a lot of times. Besides it was a PFC. They were likely thinking about chow or video games.
In my experience medical areas are no hat no salute areas a lot of times. Besides it was a PFC. They were likely thinking about chow or video games.
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The LT and Maj should have properly addressed the soldier immediately. If they don't address the soldier at that moment, then the soldier will continue to do what she did. The PFC won't reflect back on you telling them (because of your rank), but if the LT or Major addresses them, then they will remember it. There are higher consequences if there is a chance that the high ranking individual might take a trip to see your Commander.
When I was serving, it was common practice to make sure you saluted when you were supposed to, or else your Commander would have your ass and have you on hard duty for weeks.
When I was serving, it was common practice to make sure you saluted when you were supposed to, or else your Commander would have your ass and have you on hard duty for weeks.
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Being a SPC, you were okay to say what you said, it does depend on the officer as some don't really care to be saluted, but unless the PFC knew this off the bat, they should have saluted. However with the "kinder gentler" army the Maj was correct too because people can be so sensitive these days.
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