Posted on Dec 14, 2018
What’s the proper way to correct someone when not saluting an officer?
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I was walking with a Navy LT and an Army Maj. (My hospital has both services) from the USO across the street to the hospital and a PFC passed and didn’t salute. I stopped and asked her, “Do enlisted soldiers not salute officers anymore?” The Maj. with me said I didn’t have to be so aggressive about it. What’s a better way of addressing it without coming off as aggressive?
Posted 7 y ago
Responses: 388
SPC Ball,
You did EXACTLY what a soldier SHOULD do. Not to be denegrating but the Major (if medical corps.) was probably appointed by a direct commission and does not have the same military discipline you have on Customs and Courtesies. Sad, but true! You helped to elevate that PFC to a professional level that she had not been at before. When I was an NCO, I was taught that if you fail to enforce a standard, you establish a new standard. That Maj was in for job, you are living a calling. Big difference! When I would "jack-up" privates for not saluting other officers or ME, I was not overly cuddly, BUT, my point was that their lack of discipline and lack of attention to detail (as they almost always said they didn't see me coming, until they put their head down after recognizing an officer approaching) is what gets people killed. Their lack of discipline makes them the same as those who have done nothing to earn the uniform, act better and professional as they have worked to achieve what they have and they need to have enough self-respect to show it. I am honestly proud of you for enforcing the standard and doing so properly. Airborne!!!
You did EXACTLY what a soldier SHOULD do. Not to be denegrating but the Major (if medical corps.) was probably appointed by a direct commission and does not have the same military discipline you have on Customs and Courtesies. Sad, but true! You helped to elevate that PFC to a professional level that she had not been at before. When I was an NCO, I was taught that if you fail to enforce a standard, you establish a new standard. That Maj was in for job, you are living a calling. Big difference! When I would "jack-up" privates for not saluting other officers or ME, I was not overly cuddly, BUT, my point was that their lack of discipline and lack of attention to detail (as they almost always said they didn't see me coming, until they put their head down after recognizing an officer approaching) is what gets people killed. Their lack of discipline makes them the same as those who have done nothing to earn the uniform, act better and professional as they have worked to achieve what they have and they need to have enough self-respect to show it. I am honestly proud of you for enforcing the standard and doing so properly. Airborne!!!
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CW4 John Beebe, BS, DML
Just to follow up on my post, I did read that the MAJ did support the correction but rather challenged the methodology. Remember, If you do someone wrong in public, you correct that in the same audience. If it was done in private, you may do the correction in either private or public. Discipline is forged, not massaged!
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You were absolutely correct for calling out this female PFC. The PFC needs to go back to Basic Infantry School Training refresher course. Jack Charrin 1st Lt. US RA Air Defense
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This would be my response: I'm sorry you feel i was too aggressive, but this is enlisted business and I am totally within my lane. Next time you might want to let the officers get out of earshot before you correct someone.
I think we are seeing some of civilian society spread into the military. The disrespect we see out there, out here every day by a new generation is horrific. When I grew up you were expected to respect your elders, your teachers, all adults and people! Today we see so much disrespect for children and young adults, it is spreading into everything.
As for how to handle this, I am all for making sure that the respect and dignity in the military stays there! This person should be immediately addressed and yes, asked why they neglected to salute! Not saluting was something I would never have done when I was in. And it’s not just about respect, it is also about discipline! In order to maintain the discipline needed in the military, any, and I mean any lack of discipline needs to be addressed immediately and corrected.
As for how to handle this, I am all for making sure that the respect and dignity in the military stays there! This person should be immediately addressed and yes, asked why they neglected to salute! Not saluting was something I would never have done when I was in. And it’s not just about respect, it is also about discipline! In order to maintain the discipline needed in the military, any, and I mean any lack of discipline needs to be addressed immediately and corrected.
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I agree; Saluting is a show of respect at the very least. I would have ckucjed.kicjed gher gek=els if i had been there. 1LT Pamela S Lee, USA ADA, RET.
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We have a number of issues here. Chances are you were with individuals that are in the medical corps. We line officers refered to them as 90 day wonders. They spen 3 months learning drill and ceremonies and this was predicated on their background in medicine (You can also insert JAG, area defense council & chapelin here). This is not an excuse, just a reality based on these individuals not being combat officers. The whole movie "MASH" and the television series of the 1970s revolves around the idiosycracies of military medicine. That said, yes, a saluet should have been offered or reterned. One of the best ways of handeling this would be to consult with your first sergent and have him mention it to the medical corp first sergent, where it will then be elevated to the hospital commander who will send out a memo to all medical personnel to observe military cortosies.
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For most marines in my experience it was something like:
"HEY THERE DEVIL! I GUESS WE DON'T GIVE THE PROPER GREETING OF THE DAY NOW!?"
Much respect to all of you for your restraint and courtesy.
"HEY THERE DEVIL! I GUESS WE DON'T GIVE THE PROPER GREETING OF THE DAY NOW!?"
Much respect to all of you for your restraint and courtesy.
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