Posted on Feb 16, 2017
What should be done if the President is mentally ill?
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If the man at the top may be unstable - then the White House is likely to exhibit some instability - as well as some efforts by the White House staff - who are normal infighters - to undermine and replace the man at the top. The problem, however, is how to accomplish regime change (the replacement of a mentally unstable incumbent with another member of the ruling political party) within the very strict confines of the United States Constitution - and within the constraint of maintaining the full faith and confidence of the citizens. Time to bring Mike Pence up to bat.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-mental-health-new-york-times-incapable-being-president-warning-open-letter-a7578831.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html
http://www.lancedodes.com/new-york-times-letter
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-mental-health-new-york-times-incapable-being-president-warning-open-letter-a7578831.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html
http://www.lancedodes.com/new-york-times-letter
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Well, it's a hard question to answer. For one, he isn't the only president to be mentally ill in some capacity, so that alone can't be the metric we run with. What we do have is a poor politician and a weak leader who isn't really capable of handing the responsibility given to him. More on, there are people who have invested so much into the idea of what he is that they refuse to see the reality of what he actually is and what he has actually done.
When people believe someone who rarely tells the truth and think it's the rest of the world that is crazy, you're left with a special kind of echochamber that is incredibly hard to crack.
There are people who believe it is more plausible to have a secret global conspiracy aligned to bruise Trump's ego, over the reality of Trump simply being thin skinned and having little real experience or idea of what he is doing. Trump isn't really the root of the problem, just a symptom of an illness that is becoming terminal.
When people believe someone who rarely tells the truth and think it's the rest of the world that is crazy, you're left with a special kind of echochamber that is incredibly hard to crack.
There are people who believe it is more plausible to have a secret global conspiracy aligned to bruise Trump's ego, over the reality of Trump simply being thin skinned and having little real experience or idea of what he is doing. Trump isn't really the root of the problem, just a symptom of an illness that is becoming terminal.
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SPC Randy Torgerson -
Crowd Size, Obama Wiretapping, relationship with Bannon before the campaign, terrorism not being reported in europe, the many cries of 'voter fraud', his insistence on winning the popular vote, his insistence that the electoral victory was broader than reagan, pre-existing conditions on healthcare; and it's really an easy and long list of things he has said that literally just are not true.
Past a point, you're kinda just arguing about what 'truth' means, and it says alot when you have to reach that far to defend this guy.
Crowd Size, Obama Wiretapping, relationship with Bannon before the campaign, terrorism not being reported in europe, the many cries of 'voter fraud', his insistence on winning the popular vote, his insistence that the electoral victory was broader than reagan, pre-existing conditions on healthcare; and it's really an easy and long list of things he has said that literally just are not true.
Past a point, you're kinda just arguing about what 'truth' means, and it says alot when you have to reach that far to defend this guy.
SPC Randy Torgerson
SPC Jesse Davis - He needs no defending. Your just mad your candidate didn't win. I get it. You would rather have a PC winner who will just make things much worse, as opposed to a non-PC candidate who may not understand why you and so many of the left have given up on what America should be, but he will bring about change that matters. Go ahead, break some more windows and keep your mean spirited topics coming....... Surely that will change minds of the Presidential supporters. You want to impress more people? Start standing up for your President even if you don't agree with his policies. He is our President. Your whining and temper tantrums are NOT going to help make America great again. (not specifically saying you personally have temper tantrums but rather those you seem to support).
SPC Jesse Davis
SPC Randy Torgerson -
I'll be content with someone who knows what their job entails, as opposed to someone unironically crying 'PC' in defense of someone whose entire campaign message was identity politic - just for another demographic.
I'll be content with someone who knows what their job entails, as opposed to someone unironically crying 'PC' in defense of someone whose entire campaign message was identity politic - just for another demographic.
If anyone who has power in the government is mentally ill, I suggest they are placed under mental health care and depending on the severity, to be temporarily replaced until they get better. If they never get better then that means they need to leave anyway to work on themselves
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PO3 (Join to see) - A voice of reason in the darkness!!! Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
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Petty Officer, you do know that this disrespectful question was being asked about the sitting president, right? Would you like to clarify your response, please?
SPC Randy Torgerson
CPT (Join to see) - I would argue the question is not disrespectful, but rather some of the answers and the intent of the question. The question itself could apply to any of the former presidents. Those that think there are mental problems with the current president are simply upset that the "free ride" is about to be dramatically reduced. Their upset because they are being exposed for who they really are. That is what all the whining is about. Plain and simple.
Reagan was evaluated with Alzheimer's before his presidency had expired! Oh you did not know that though!
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PO1 Bill O - I worked for the Reagan administration - was deeply committed to his values - dearly loved the man and his people - knew about increasingly apparent mental disability issues - did not agree with how others stepped in to make decisions on his behalf. I was substantially more junior and did not express myself so well at that time - and was frankly concerned about my future career. I have no such concerns holding me back now - the worst anyone can do is accept the resignation I filed as a matter of form on change of regime a month ago. Apparently, some colleagues value an old cold warrior - perhaps because Trump is starting a new cold war. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
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PO1 Bill O - I haven't heard HMFIC in quite some time - didn't think about it in this instance - but you are so right about this guy. I will look up the GI Joe role when I have some time later today. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
A1C Paul Kasper
ronald reagan had alzheimers even in mexico city .. bush senior ran the show.. i was staff aide for RAMC at the AMEMB mexico city in the late 80's
A new Presidential not Party Special Election,between Joe Biden,and Paul Ryan,2 Be held in May with 4 key debates.No extension of term.
CPT Wallace Dunn
PFC Stephen Eric Serati - Sometimes it's best to keep quiet and just let others THINK you are not so bright, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt...
PFC Stephen Eric Serati
You started out Private up to Capt.I respect that,I also see Ur a oil man and nra instructor,İ can see we don't see eye 2 eye.As far as bright,and listening 2 others instead of thinking for myself.Well,1.bright,I'm always learning and 2,listen to others.All great leaders r great because they listen,and promote their subordinates being activly engaged in decision making especially in the Infantry.Thank U 4 Ur service Sir.
PFC Stephen Eric Serati
I was just answering the question,Mr.Groves.My personal opinion on all u said above is both sides have provocatures stirring the proverbial political s--t pot.Ive voted both ways 'n the past,and dont condone the violence,distruction of property,or denying free speech.And resistance movement is no different than the teaparty movement.I think we need a independent investigation in2 any members committing treason, dems or repubs.To move forward as Nation we all have 2 have confidence in our elections.Its the only way 2 b sure.
PFC Stephen Eric Serati
2018 is wat im focused on now.If President Trump wins in 2020 thats what ít is.I dont wish our President 2 fail its not good 4 the Nation as a whole.
Off topic... @ssg mark colwell
I don't know you... and I sure don't know why you've blocked my commo with you. If I said something that you were offended by, at least let me know what it was... and check out Matthew 18:15. Is that fair enough?
I don't know you... and I sure don't know why you've blocked my commo with you. If I said something that you were offended by, at least let me know what it was... and check out Matthew 18:15. Is that fair enough?
There are processes in place that cover that scenario as well as misconduct and almost everything in between. We're not there yet and only time will tell if we ever are, so it's all conjecture at this time. Let them entertain us with all the hearings, investigations and spin for now, and if events lead to remedies we'll find out at that time. For now just do damage control at the personal level, try to stay informed, and enjoy the ride as best we can.
As to his sanity roughly 63 million voters evaluated his fitness for duty and voted accordingly. Roughly 3 million more disagreed, but that's an assumption because they may have voted against him for other reasons. If the fear is that he will decide to nuke a country because he disagrees with a media story or tweet, I'd guess there are checks and balances to prevent that, hopefully. Considering the source, NYT recently reported that the intel community is routinely withholding information from him out of fear that he will share it with our enemies, I have to consider the source. That story was refuted by some representing said agencies. Credibility lost is hard to regain and there is plenty of blame outside of the WH on that point.
As to his sanity roughly 63 million voters evaluated his fitness for duty and voted accordingly. Roughly 3 million more disagreed, but that's an assumption because they may have voted against him for other reasons. If the fear is that he will decide to nuke a country because he disagrees with a media story or tweet, I'd guess there are checks and balances to prevent that, hopefully. Considering the source, NYT recently reported that the intel community is routinely withholding information from him out of fear that he will share it with our enemies, I have to consider the source. That story was refuted by some representing said agencies. Credibility lost is hard to regain and there is plenty of blame outside of the WH on that point.
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Sgt Steven Thomas - I doubt it and hope not. He's used twitter for years and will likely continue to. There are rules on the "official" account that govern archiving etc. but that's for somebody else to watch over. I'd imagine there are checks and balances that would prevent him from getting on twitter at 3 am and deciding to launch a strike without counsel. Hopefully.
Maximus: I knew a man who once said, "Death smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back."
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MSgt Neil Greenfield - I had a crush on Russell Crowe as Gladiator - and dreamed about being seduced by him in the persona of Xena Warrior Princess. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
To keep within the spirit of your question, remember that the USA is not a monarchy or dictatorship. No matter how good or bad the president is, they only have 33.3333% of the credit/blame. So as the president does not have 100% of the power, is there really an issue?
And I'm asking fairly. After all, do mentally ill senators/congressfolk get "retired" or forced out?
And I'm asking fairly. After all, do mentally ill senators/congressfolk get "retired" or forced out?
Trump def needs replacing. He is a the biggest security threat our nation has suffered since...since.... Klaus Fuchs comes to mind.
SPC Randy Torgerson
Talk of replacing Trump for competency or security is the reason we're so divided. Your too extreme to have a rational discussion about any issues. How do you expect anyone to have a conversation with you?
Sgt Kevin Curl
Been to way to many Jimmie Jones rally's without drinking the koolaid you lunatic . We just went through 8 years of the biggest threat to the country and avoided the most corrupt politician ever from being elected in Hildebeast !
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