Posted on Feb 13, 2020
What should I do if I have been partially disqualified from enlisting, pending consults, and I haven't heard from my recruiter or MEPS?
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Hello all, I am a 26 year old male wanting to serve in the Air Force (formerly planned to join the Army), and as such, I got the process started back in December 3, 2019. I went to MEPS on December 12 for testing and did well enough to proceed with enlistment (93 on CAT-ASVAB AFQT, 71 on ICTLS, and a Pass on TAPAS), and did my physical just last Tuesday (February 11, 2020). Hearing and vision tests were OK, and so were weight and height measurements, as well as most other measurements (such as BP/HR, some ortho-neuro tests), and I am waiting for my blood and urine results. However, there were some issues with my Physical that resulted in a TDQ, as well as pending Consults. The issues pointed out by the CMO were as follows: Urinalysis (Albumin), Left eye (Esotropia), Ortho-neuro manuevers (failed four), and unusual demeanor (cognitive issues). As a result, the CMO labeled me partially disqualified for service, pending a consult, and this was reported to my recruiter. On the consult, I was told that I will be re-tested on ortho-neuro maneuvers, urinalysis, possibly my left eye (may be a moot point as the CMO pointed out that my left eye may need a waiver), and psychiatric evaluation, which, depending of the outcome, may require a waiver. I would like to serve, but the consult may prevent that ambition from becoming true, and haven't heard from the recruiter or the MEPS regarding this matter since. What should I do?
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DO like everyone else that has served in the military, hurry up and wait. Nothing happens fast.
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PVT Stephen Osenegg
PFC Jeffrey Herrington - That's a little bit harsh don't you think? Albeit, I kind of agree. Sounds like a very weird situation to me. Might not be qualified, but having gone to MEPS on more than one occasion, and paying attention to things around me, that really does seem rather unusual.
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PVT Stephen Osenegg
PFC Jeffrey Herrington - That's definitely a first I have heard of that, but I can relate. I used to zone out while running, and sometimes I'd run to the point where my feet went completely numb. One of my best scores on the APFT was 12:50 for the 2 mile. Pushups and situps weren't really my thing though. Never have been.
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CPT (Join to see)
PFC Jeffrey Herrington - Not really much of a clinical picture, but albuminuria usually indicates some type of damage to the kidneys. We routinely test for microalbumin in diabetics to assess diabetic nephropathy. My guess is that the esotropia and failed ortho-neuro maneuvers are probably related to some kind of prior nerve/brain injury. "Unusual demeanor" is kind of a catch-all and was probably more of a general gut-feeling of the provider that he needed further evaluation based on the totality of his interaction. PVT Stephen Osenegg
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Brandon Hagen
I do not drink or do drugs, or do any of those weird things, so there's no way I would be high, nor the liver being pickled. As for Albumin issue, I was dehydrated hours leading up to it, and I generally have a high-protein diet, and metabolic panels show that my kidneys are normal. Whether my failure of orthos and eyes are linked to nerve/brain damage is yet to be determined, but I would doubt a diabetic one (A1C levels show absence of diabetic/prediabetic conditions of at least 3 months). Needless to say, I was a bit nervous that day (it was my first full-physical-in-a-day situation), and I am not a wall walker.
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The air force? That’s the problem! Army takes more physical discrepancies!
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Brandon Hagen
That is, if the Army recruiters agree to burden themselves with a MEPS DQ Army wannabe, and to start all paperwork anew, with possibility of having to deal with waivers at the recruiters office.
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SSG (Join to see)
You won’t know until you try. And I’m sure someone will take on the waivers. Brandon Hagen
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Brandon Hagen
Talking with Army recruiters in two days (Navy/AF both a no-go). What should I ask and expect from the meeting with the Army recruiters?
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I have to ask about the unusual demeanor... what the hell were you doing, licking windows???
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Brandon Hagen
What the "unusual demeanor" was walking a bit limping, and feeling of nervousness. Nothing near what you describe.
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Brandon Hagen
The CMO that day said that there may be a consult pulled for the demeanor part, so it's anyone's guess. Guarantee or not, not sure.
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My personal experience is that consults can take a while. My first consult took a week to schedule and the results were instantly reflected in my packet. The other took 3 weeks to schedule and almost 2 months to update.
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Let the process play out. Go through whatever further testing that MEPS deems necessary. The fact that you were not PDQ'd give some hope that things may still work out.
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Basically, what is probably happening is MEPS is getting appointments lined up for you in these consults. Right now, your only options are to be patient and weekly call your recruiter to see if they have an update on those consult appointments.
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Update: AF Recruiter informs of my PDQ (Perm Disqualification) due to following issues: Inability to complete several exercises and unusual movements/behavior, possible risk during basic training. Esotropia was not mentioned, either due to being mixed in with the mentioned issues, or turned out as a non-issue. Urinalysis and blood draw results also not mentioned. Recruiter also tells me that the bar of standards are set very high, and there are only few waivers. AF Recruiter passes my info to the Navy (N) Recruiter next door. The N recruiter calls me shortly thereafter, and we agree to a Wed Afternoon meeting. If the N route is also unsuccessful, I plan on talking to the Army (AR) recruiter. However, AR recruiters know me too well, so I may have to go to a different station if that's the case, but I know that the AR generally gives out more waivers compared to other branches, so it won't hurt to try, and their recruiting station is next town over, in North Natomas, Sacramento, CA (MC also has recruiting station there, while the AF and N recruiting stations are in Citrus Heights, CA). Oh well, at least I tried for the AF, but with other branches, it isn't over until either I enlist in any of the remaining branches, or I get unwaiverable PDQ's or PDQ's with rejected waivers for the other branches as well.
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When it comes to getting consults, that takes a while, the recruiter isn’t gonna call you every week just to tell you we’re still waiting. Your recruiter will reach out eventually once he/she gets the consult dates. Recruiters have no control over consult scheduling. Just be patient, and if you end up disqualified GO ARMY, we accept more!
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Brandon Hagen
Hang on, I've been to MEPS twice already, so I am somewhat known of at my local MEPS, as well as my army recruiting station. If I have a DQ from MEPS and a file with AF...
1. How is the process for the Army like? Do I just go to their recruiting station in order to start? Do I go through everything (except ASVAB/TAPAS/ICTL tests) anew, with new papers, signings, and physicals?
2. Will an AF PDQ and/or rejected waivers affect my chances with the Army enlistment?
3. I'm sure that the Army recruiters will know about my recent MEPS experience, or will they?
1. How is the process for the Army like? Do I just go to their recruiting station in order to start? Do I go through everything (except ASVAB/TAPAS/ICTL tests) anew, with new papers, signings, and physicals?
2. Will an AF PDQ and/or rejected waivers affect my chances with the Army enlistment?
3. I'm sure that the Army recruiters will know about my recent MEPS experience, or will they?
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SSG (Join to see)
The disqualifiers for every branch is different, the Army most of the time accepts medical issues that other branches don’t. The only thing you do once you go to the Army recruiters is the physical but just an inspect not a full physical since you’ve already gotten one within a year. Make sure you tell them what branch and why you were disqualified and they’ll look into it and let you know if they’ll accept it.Brandon Hagen
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Well, from what I see you have two options:
As the MSG said, you can hurry up and wait - play it by ear, and wait for further instruction as is typical in the military, OR you can give your recruiter a phone call (I'd recommend only doing this ONE time if at all) and ask him about what's going on. You can simply tell him you don't understand what all of this means, or what you need to do etc. and see what he says (which seems to be the case if I understood your post correctly). The other option along the same lines, is talking to your recruiter and seeking clarification - talk to him, explain to him how YOU are perceiving the situation, and ask if that's correct and/or if there's anything you can do in order to help things along.
I wish you the best of luck, MEPS can be a long, tedious process.
As the MSG said, you can hurry up and wait - play it by ear, and wait for further instruction as is typical in the military, OR you can give your recruiter a phone call (I'd recommend only doing this ONE time if at all) and ask him about what's going on. You can simply tell him you don't understand what all of this means, or what you need to do etc. and see what he says (which seems to be the case if I understood your post correctly). The other option along the same lines, is talking to your recruiter and seeking clarification - talk to him, explain to him how YOU are perceiving the situation, and ask if that's correct and/or if there's anything you can do in order to help things along.
I wish you the best of luck, MEPS can be a long, tedious process.
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Brandon Hagen
Well, the AF recruiter bore bad news. PDQ for the AF, and I am done and out of luck for that branch. Reasons given, per the recruiter's words: Inability to complete excercises, unusual motions and behavior. Did not mention esotropic eyes. However, recruiter agreed to pass information to the Navy Recruiter, who gave me a call within minutes. If Navy is a no-go (another PDQ), then the Army will be next in line.
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