Posted on Jun 24, 2016
What should the physical requirements for 68 W be?
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68 CMF physical requirements just came out for 2017. The 68W has 12 task to complete from skill level 1-4 while skill level 5 has 11 task. Each task involves the medic wearing 98 lbs of gear and typically carrying, dragging or picking up weight around 54 lbs-200 lbs for some distance around 300 feet. Additionally they should be able to travel up to 12 miles with 98 lbs worth of gear
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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24 years I served as a medic. Never, even when I served with the Infantry, did I need to carry 98 lbs worth of gear. EFMB, EIB, Best Warrior, and several other badges and qualifications I can't think of right now, have road march requirements. I know the EFMB is a 12 mile march in under 3 or 4 hours(it's been awhile), but the pack is no where near 98 lbs.
If I had to guess, these new MOS specific physical requirements are nothing more than an other tool to kick good soldiers to the curb.
If I had to guess, these new MOS specific physical requirements are nothing more than an other tool to kick good soldiers to the curb.
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LTC (Join to see) - they all have the same physical requirements. No such thing as a MEDAC Medic. That is a 68C. Nurse, not a medic.
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SGT Amy Tribou
as a prior 68W, if you have on all the typical gear IOTV, etc., and a fully stocked aidbag, which in my unit included 4 IV kits, and your ruck,(MOLLE) you have more than your 98 lbs right there.
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SGT Edward Wilcox
I served, as a medic, with the infantry(mech), the military police, the engineers, a medical center, a CSH, and an ambulance company. Never, in all that time, in all those units, did I need to carry 98 lbs worth of gear on my person. Even when the infantry performed dismounted maneuvers, and that was often, I did not carry that much gear.
The argument can be made that the light infantry would need to carry that much, and I would not disagree(mostly because I have no experience there), but I cannot understand how an Army wide standard can be set based on such a small section of the overall strength of the Army.
The argument can be made that the light infantry would need to carry that much, and I would not disagree(mostly because I have no experience there), but I cannot understand how an Army wide standard can be set based on such a small section of the overall strength of the Army.
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SGT Chester Dodd
This 98 pounds is possibly coming for the new body armor...that alone is like 25-30lbs...
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LTC Paul Labrador but there is(should be) no difference between the two. A whiskey should have the knowledge and physical ability to flip back and forth at the drop of a hat.
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Why would you choose to test the weaker requirement, when they can be sent forward and expected to perform the harder task? It is called "readiness."
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As a Line Medic, we owe it to our platoon to be able to perform physically no matter the challenge. As someone above noted, a MEDCOM medic is a whole different job and that's why I'd like to see there be two different MOSs developed. Make hospital personnel accountable to the tasks they need to be able to do best, and leave the Doc's in the platoon to conduct POI medicine.
Short answer? No it's not unfairly diffucult. Every medic should be prepared to find themselves in a line platoon; however the reality is not everyone who holds the MOS 68W is cut out to be a line Doc.
Short answer? No it's not unfairly diffucult. Every medic should be prepared to find themselves in a line platoon; however the reality is not everyone who holds the MOS 68W is cut out to be a line Doc.
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SFC Matthew Norman - I can understand that. I was never planning to find myself in the shoes of a senior NCO, so honestly I'd never thought of it that way before.
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Good to see that some part of the Army has decided to step up the physical requirements.
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98 lbs of gear plus the option of moving a human adult weighing around 200lbs with their gear or less/more if a civilian? The unit I went to the ME with was smart. They either brought me to the person(s) or them to me; which we were in a safer place. I'm an easy target trying to move a person into position to pick them up.
All soldiers should be able to ruck with their standard loadout according to to their MOS. I've never carried 100 lbs of gear wherever we went. As a medic: M4, 280 rounds, 9mm w/4 clips, body armor, helmet, Assault bag and 30lb Aid bag. I'm not in anymore, but should a soldier come under fire, he/she needs to take cover or run their a** off. It's harder to do weighed down with un-necessary stuff.
All soldiers should be able to ruck with their standard loadout according to to their MOS. I've never carried 100 lbs of gear wherever we went. As a medic: M4, 280 rounds, 9mm w/4 clips, body armor, helmet, Assault bag and 30lb Aid bag. I'm not in anymore, but should a soldier come under fire, he/she needs to take cover or run their a** off. It's harder to do weighed down with un-necessary stuff.
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absolutely needed. no one should die over political correctness. strength is an important military attribute. you need to be able to meet the standard not have the standard meet you.
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Sounds like we will breed strong medics, but doesn't always mean smart ones. There are usually enough backs to carry the meat when you need them, but not always the sharpest tool making the plan. I would rather weed out the daft rather than the weak.
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In 2003, the Center for Army Lessons Learned (CALL) did an analysis of the loads expected by various aspects of the Modern Warrior. The typical Rifle Platoon Approach Combat Load weighed 91.7lbs. It also noted, that many medics tended to overfill their bags (especially the larger MOLLE Aid Bag), and increased their burden.
I can see why a line combat medic would need to meet these requirements.
The PDF is an interesting and useful read: (I had to disable the link to prevent this site from trying to display the entire 117 page document. If you want to read it, you will need to add the second backslash (/) after the "http:" on the link below.
http:/thedonovan.com/archives/modernwarriorload/ModernWarriorsCombatLoadReport.pdf
I can see why a line combat medic would need to meet these requirements.
The PDF is an interesting and useful read: (I had to disable the link to prevent this site from trying to display the entire 117 page document. If you want to read it, you will need to add the second backslash (/) after the "http:" on the link below.
http:/thedonovan.com/archives/modernwarriorload/ModernWarriorsCombatLoadReport.pdf
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SSG (Join to see)
MEDIC's have definitely updated since 2003. I agree that we do carry a lot of extra equipment but with all the pockets that we have on our gear we can store a lot of our emergency/trauma on hand. You also have other troops that you train within your assigned platoon that all carry dressings and tourniquets if needed. I believe everyone is still carrying there own during deployment (IFAC). Unrealistic, I am not going to carry an IV pump with me during deployment.
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LTC (Join to see)
true. the job of medics and line PAs is incredibly difficult. you are alone out there, expected to be a soldier first and shoot move and communicate but need to transition in an instant to the most highly educated soldier in the unit with peoples lives in your hands.
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I continue to bring this topic up to everyone that I can: the Army needs to (must and should!) separate "Line Medics" and "Hospital Medics". I brought this up last time I saw CSM Ecker, and he said it was not possible for a number of reasons.
In the ten years I have served in the medical field since leaving the infantry, I have become of the opinion that our medics serving in hospitals are not allowed the scope of practice that they need to maintain their medical skills, nor, given the schedules they work, are they able to devote the necessary time needed to physical fitness, Soldiering skills, and/or continuing education.
In the ten years I have served in the medical field since leaving the infantry, I have become of the opinion that our medics serving in hospitals are not allowed the scope of practice that they need to maintain their medical skills, nor, given the schedules they work, are they able to devote the necessary time needed to physical fitness, Soldiering skills, and/or continuing education.
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SGT Amy Tribou
hospital medics have zero time for anything, because they are ALWAYS put on BS taskings
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
Being both a "Line Medic" and now currently a "Hospital Medic" I agree with this 100%.
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