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CPL Cadrew Strickland
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I don’t really know what’s going to happen. But I do know we to have respect of the office of commander and chief of the military. As the military is the true strength of our country. We have to respect our chain of command and pray and hope they do what right for the country. As soldiers we are at the call of our president no matter who sits in that chair.
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LtCol Bruce Janis
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We have to obey all legal commands given us, but he Constitution says nothing about respect.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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I will only point out that Biden never saw an intervention that he did support, so I expect that we will get involved in other BS conflicts that have no solution and is none of our business.
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LtCol Bruce Janis
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and left hanging when it is a matter of too little, too late.
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What HAS happened is the Democrats have proposed $753 billion for national defense programs, a 1.7 percent increase over TRump's last budget. Let's be clear this despicable myth that the democrats are Liberal Communist traitors that hate our military is a bunch of ultra right nutwing BS and always has been. It is despicable bald faced lie told by despicable bald faced liars.

Let's be clear both parties have both raised and/or lowered the defense budget DEPENDING on the quadrennial defense review (now called the National Defense Review) that analyzes strategic objectives and potential military threats held every 4 years. That is what determines the US Defense Budget and has since 1996. As matter of fact after WWI and WWII the real Republican Party (not the RINO Dixiecrat Party it has become and is today) presided over the largest draw downs in modern history (1900 to Present). In the old days REAL Republicans actually cared about deficits. Now they really don't except when Democrats are charge. During my 40 year career we went through several drawdowns and buildups done by both Democrats and Republicans. That said, since 1970 there has rarely been a large cut in defense spending and the trend has been generally up both in real dollar value and because of inflation pressures.

But today it's different. Billions of taxpayer dollars are spent on R&D on weapons development programs...For instance the life time cost of the F-35 is going to be around 1.7 Trillion + dollars. Add to that Navy and Coast Guard ships numbers being increased. 6th Generation aircraft R&D and procurement, Army and Marine Corps capitalization of equipment and new procurement plus operational and training costs just to keep up. So both parties are not going to play around with the Defense budget. The threat is just too large to ignore and we have to stay ahead of near peer and regional powers primarily China, Iran, North Korea and Russia not to mention the terrorist organizations we have to contend with. We also have allied cost for NATO and other alliances in the world. We also have 3 wars (Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria) winding down that we've been paying for trillions for since 2001.

But there are other things this country needs that we must take of in order to remain the strongest economy in the world. Our infrastructure is falling apart. Bridges, roads, schools Water ways, hydro electric systems, National Power grid and continuing recovery from the Covid Pandemic plus many more needs that have been put on the back burner for over 20 years now. Additionally, after 20 years of trillion wars it's time we spend some funds on our own people not someone else's. We have our own problems to take care of. And all that takes lots of money.

But even with all that I don't see our Defense budget decreasing but I do see the amount of raise every year going to be less than it has been. Remember the US Taxpayer has spent over 6.4 trillion+ on wars in the Middle east and Central Asia since 2001. So isn't it about time we take care of our own?

So this BS that some are spreading about those evil defense hating Democrats isn't helpful and it is bald faced lie.
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LTC Lance Headrick
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I think you need to correct some of you comments.

"well shy of the Trump administration’s projected $722 billion request for FY22" from the Defense News. Biden had $715 Billion.

Biden also cut off OCO spending (which I think is a good thing, but). The Military spend 70 Billion in OCO in 2020 and they will not in the future. So, 1.6% increase in 70B = 1.1B. So the military on the glide path they were on would have spent 800 Billion in 2022 and now it is 715 Billion. Words mean things and you have misled with your (intentional or not).

I do agree Democrat's and Republican's use hyperbole to sell everything; making up slights and exaggerating others. SFC Robinson in a different post noted that Trump "Slaughter 500,000 of his brothers and sister".

I do agree that the Nation wants a "Peace Dividend". That infrastructure needs help and we should not vilify the Commander in Chief, ever (even after he is gone because how could you trust my words if I say you SUCK after you leave; your word would be no good)

Take it issue by issue and civilly review the facts, common ground will be found and we will move forward. That is not happening now and I frankly do not see it happening short of earth shattering crisis. The bickering, backstabbing, and hatemongering will continue.


Context for Defense News article (link below):
U.S. President Joe Biden’s fiscal 2022 budget request asks for $753 billion in national security funding, an increase of 1.6 percent that includes $715 billion for the Defense Department. (An increase of Trumps budget LAST YEAR does not equate to an increase). It is actually a decrease. As stated below by the Defense Review.

The request, rolled out Friday, amounts to a slight decrease for the Pentagon when adjusted for inflation, and it’s well shy of the Trump administration’s projected $722 billion request for FY22. The proposal would also end the off-budget funding pool known the overseas contingency operations, or OCO, account.

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2021/04/09/biden-requests-715b-for-pentagon-hinting-at-administrations-future-priorities/
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LTC Lance Headrick - I think you need to reread my comments...I didn't mention Biden at all I said Democrats. There are two Defense committees one in house and one in the Senate who make budget proposals not just the President. As far as Defense proposals made by democrats and biden...they are just that proposals....and Congress as much to say about the budget as any President. And even it if Biden only 715 Billion that is still a creditable budget. You also forget our defense budget is usually 7 times what peer and near peer countries spend on their defense.

So you need to correct some of yours. Plus you're hypocrite when you and say to me "take it issue by issue and civilly review the facts" then on another thread you use BS conservotard talking points and I quote "Most if not all of your comments just echo Liberal Media talking point and are unfounded hyperbole at worst and at best half truths." This comment just echos Conservotard TRump troll cultist media and are, as usual bald faced lies, half truths, distortions of fact and out and out made up BS. So sell your holier than thou, self-righteous, sanctimonious BS somewhere else. You support TRump...a despicable draft dodging, crotch grabbing Russian/Putin loving bald faced lying traitor, fraud and grifting incompetent hypocrite...who thinks military personnel are suckers. that's all I need to know about you. Sell somewhere else.
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LTC (Join to see) You STATED that Democrats had not made a CUT(whether you SAID Biden or not, it is HIS plan and to say otherwise is at the least disengenuous). The President makes a proposed budget, that is the first step.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-does-federal-budget-process-work

Then you deflected by saying the budget is enough...I am fine with that, but your original point was it was an increase.....so I am pretty sure your outrage earns you the Sactimonious and Self Righteous Badges.

You go to several threads to read what I wrote and try and bring them to this discussion (I may have commented on the same thread as you, but not replied to you) I am flattered that you would go to that much trouble. I did not, I think, attack you personally but rather you comments.
You on the other hand with ad hominem attacks (by the way calling me out for something I didn't do, but you did is classically hypocritical).

I am sorry you find my comments so offensive, you must have been retired for a long time to get such a thin skin.
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YAWN....as usual you TRump trolls play the poor downtrodden victim...which you love. One more perfect example of your hypocrisy...you can dish it out but can't take it. And only one around here with a thick skin is you. Sell it somewhere else. You are nothing but an walking talking saying nothing ad hominem attack.
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MAJ David Wilson
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Calmness, respects the Military and stable.
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PO1 Jill Waters
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Completely untrue. Thanks to president Obama I now receive a veterans pension and healthcare. No previous president had a program for veterans like me.
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SFC Art Robinson
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BOOM! Say it again, in case they couldn't hear it due to Conservative media screaming in their ears!!! (How do U do a "heart" emoji in this joint?)
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SFC Randy Hellenbrand
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Biden is our legitimately elected commander in chief. If he weren't, Moscow Mitch and a lot of other people wouldn't be in congress. Only those who were at the capital on Jan. 6th would say disrespectful things. So, Biden will treat us with honor and respect unlike the previous guy.
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SGT Lenise Hamilton
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Amen :-) .
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SFC Art Robinson
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BOOM! Say it again, in case they couldn't hear it due to Conservative media screaming in their ears!!! (How do U do a "heart" emoji in this joint?)
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I think it's odd that minorities called trump a racist white man. However they elected a more actual racist white man into office
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SFC Art Robinson
That's my point, we know these "peaceful protests" were anything but peaceful. Did you not see the videos of said peaceful protesting where they were shooting at and killing cops, the report of the retired black officer who was providing security in a store and was gunned down by 5 black punks in cold blood. Have you ever noticed how the media never mentions race of the perp unless it fits their "systemic racism" narrative?

Serious question, have you ever actually done research on your own and actually just sat and looked at the FBI stats? I'll include a pic on this post as to crimes committed by race against other races and if you dont believe me, just look at the FBI stats.

The medical stats on the cdc website only showed an excess of 200k deaths in 2020 versus 2019, that's a fact. So where did the other 300k deaths come from?

I'm a medic in the army and have been one for 15 years now, before this I was a civilian paramedic before I joined the army at the age of 28. 25 years now in emergency medicine and have spent more than a few of these years working in labs, OR room, ED departments and so on. I also have my BSN in nursing. I love asking questions and learning about stuff.

You keep dismissing about true covid deaths by just repeating that these numbers are just being picked out of thin air. If you would just look at the cdc numbers you can see it for yourself.

The flu works the same way the coronavirus works or any virus. It changes and adapts to stay alive, if it didnt then it would just fade off into the sunset.

The flu shot you get every year is based off the previous years viral strands seen. They then decide to put 4 of the highest ones into a shot and give it to you out of hopes
that it works.

Anyway, the flu kills off the elderly and people with comorbidities each year and makes those two groups at more of a risk. So yes they may suffer chronically from a certain disease, the covid just ups the chance of dying from said disease.

Notice how the big news outlets stopped keeping a running death counter on their screens once biden took office?

It's just such a double standard they preach and propagate.
SFC Art Robinson
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SSG Richard S. -
1) All good opinions, but conspicuously lacking sources . . .
2) Not sure what point the FBI stats are trying to convey . . . That there's low white on black crime? Don't think we're debating that one . . .
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SFC Art Robinson All you have to do is go to the CDCs website and it will allow you to filter results of deaths by individual causes.

FBI stats also will do the same thing.

I have also thought you have great points also. I still however dont think trump was racist and you cannot paint a whole liberal/conservative with the same brush stroke.

But I will have to contest the 76% of all mass shootings were by white people when I provided you with the facts that out of 123 mass shootings, 66 were committed by whites which is only 50%, and the white demographic is the largest in this country, so it would only make sense that a lot were committed by the largest demographic here. Not saying it's right at any level.

Again, I like that you bring facts to counter things instead of feelings. I wish more people did that.

Sadly I was medically retired after a botched spinal surgery last February which has left me with severe seizures.

However I am glad I was able to train junior soldiers and pass my knowledge onto them.
SFC Art Robinson
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SSG Richard S. - Sorry to hear about the botched . . . I almost was medically retired when diagnosed with cancer couple of years ago, but Doc gave me a break, maybe since I was near 20 years anyway . . . Just retired end of November . . .

Alright, enough of this warm and fuzzy shit . . . Your opinions STINK! :)
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SP5 Wilbert Jennings
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Well if he is elected and it looks like he is doing a pretty good job of pretending, but if he isn't elected and Trump remains the President the military will get better pay, better equipment and better protection for their loved ones and better housing.. Biden has no respect for our military and they are expendable and if your a Christian treated like a second class citizen.
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SFC Art Robinson
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SP5 Wilbert Jennings - OK, OK . . . I get it now . . . Reading is not your strong suit . . . So, I get it that when U say, "NAME what Trump has done that is bull shit," U may not have fully comprehended what I just wrote . . . So, let me see if I can break it down Barney Style for ya . . .

COVID: When our Country is threatened with a pandemic, our president is supposed to do things to keep US safe . . . If he or she doesn't do the right things, we will lose hundreds of thousands of Americans to a bug . . . If he or she keeps telling everybody, "It's OK, it'll just magically go away," rather than taking the actions needed to stomp the bug, we will lose hundreds of thousands of Americans to that bug . . . If he or she is more interested in winning reelection than in taking aggressive action to stomp that bug, we will lose hundreds of thousands of Americans to that bug . . .

OK, maybe I should go slower . . . I'll stop right there . . . Do U understand what I've said, so far? Should I try it again with pictures?
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SP5 Wilbert Jennings
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SFC Art Robinson - First thing I WAS TAUGHT IN JUNGLE WAR FARE TRAINING PRIOR TO NAM, WAS WHEN SEVERELY INJURED ONE DOESN'T TELL THE ONE INJURED HOW SEVERER THE INJURY IS YOU PLAY IT DOWN A BIT TO ENCOURAGE THE WOUNDED VET.
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SP5 Wilbert Jennings
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IT PREVENTS SHOCK AND GIVING UP .
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SFC Art Robinson
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SP5 Wilbert Jennings - Did they teach U that, when intel tells the Commander that an enemy force is approaching, the Commander should tell the troops, "It's OK . . . They'll be gone soon . . . It's only a few of 'em . . . They'll just magically disappear . . . We've got it all under control . . ."? Here's what other REAL Republicans say about Trump's lame response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uLJkpH__os&t=1s
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1SG Patrick Sims
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I wouldn't worry too much about President Biden, he's not likely to be in the office that long. Karmella Harris is another matter. I recently spoke to a retired California police officer who provided security for Harris when she was Attorney General of California. She indicated Harris wasn't a very nice person---As to what will happen when she becomes Commander-in-Chief----You better stand by to stand by.
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FN Kevin England
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Well, in my opinion, service members will have to expect worse treatment. When Obama and Biden changed the rules of engagement over in the Middle East, we saw sailors basically give up their vessel. We saw countless brave soldiers brought up on charges for making a reasonable decision. The Obama / Biden policies actually made it harder for the brave men and women of the US Military to effectively protect themselves and defend their positions. So, i would guess you'd have to expect at least that much or worse.
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What a load of BS
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