Posted on Sep 8, 2021
SSG Carlos M.
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Doesn't matter if you agree with this move or not - it's been directed and it's happening. What are your suggestions for renaming the following bases?

- Fort Bragg
- Fort Rucker
- Fort Benning
- Fort Gordon
- Fort Hood
- Fort Polk
- Fort A.P. Hill
- Fort Belvoir
- Fort Lee
- Fort Pickett
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Cpl Vic Burk
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I have a suggestion, leave well enough alone!
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PO3 Edward Riddle
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PFC John Roscoe - Who's this? Your fan club?
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PFC John Roscoe
PFC John Roscoe
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PO3 Edward Riddle - "Who're THESE" not "Who's this"- guess you don't need to know English very well where you're from. Education is very important for people with your mentality, eh?
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PO3 Edward Riddle
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PFC John Roscoe - Oh boy. We have us an intellectual here. Another one that thinks he knows everything about everything. If you don't believe me, just ask him. He'll be more than glad to tell you about himself.
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SSgt Jeanne Wallace
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chill gents, if they start picking on grammar and usage...you have already won the argument
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LTC Kevin B.
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I think they should name them after Medal of Honor recipients.
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SSG Russell D.
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CPO Nate S. - If that would be done, then we would be neglecting anyone & everyone from that honor who served in the American Revolution. Naming bases should not be based off of political correctness.
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Sgt Greg Nowark
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CPO Nate S. - !00 years? Don't you realize how many times "heroes" could become "just bad white men with privilege" within just a score of years? I observe, but CANNOT UNDERSTAND, that a label of "social construct" can now be used to change heritage, property, status, accomplishments, and even the "SOCIAL INTERPRETATIONS OF OUR WRITTEN CONSTITUTION!" In less time than it took to found this greatest of nations, radical Anti-Nationalism (socialism/ communism/ globalism) has become ubiquitous, omnipotent, and destructive to our heritage of centuries; apparently because we don't have any of the courage of our forefathers to protect what we have received from them. "DOOMED to repeat PAST ERRORS if we cannot remember them" and "A republic; IF we can keep it" both come to mind as the ACTUAL REASONS for this current wave of destruction BEFORE we will recognize the TYRANNY that awaits us.
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CPO Nate S.
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SGT Nelson Stahl, SSG Russell D., Sgt Greg Nowark - Gentlemen, clam down. I am ONLY making the point that if a name change comes then it should be around something honorable. Every MoH I have had the privilege to meet is SO HUMBLE I am humbled just to be in their presence.

Saturday 16 Jul 22 I was at a political event and chatting with fellow veterans. This US Marine suggested that "...I (i.e., he) wish the bases had been numbered and never named...". It was an interesting comment. That same Marine Corps veteran said, "...think of the number of soldiers of all types who went through a place like Fort Bragg and what not the name of the base meant to them, but the experience of the excellence that base meant to them...".

Sgt Greg Nowark I am just a little confused by your commentary - "...Don't you realize how many times "heroes" could become "just bad white men with privilege" within just a score of years?..." Our "heroes" are "our heroes" precisely because they sacrificed themselves or were willing to sacrifice themselves for something greater than themselves. I am the son of HOLOCAUST survivor who NEVER knew my grandfather because the NAZI's (some really bad 'white men' who chose to summary executed him!

I know FULL WELL the "...TYRANNY that awaits us..." when people (right or left) desire to use FEAR and INTIMIDATION to attempt to control the minds and hearts of others. I keep and read daily the CONSTITUTION and the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE. My oath, your oath - requires us to "...preserve, protect, and defend...against ALL enemies both foreign and domestic...". I have NEVER taken an oath more seriously, save my Scouting Oath.

My father came to the country as teenager after WWII with his mother who also survived the hell of NAZI Germany. He became a citizen of this GREAT NATION and joined the USAF until he was 100% SCD medically discharged. He served in Korea. Understand, I know better than most the sacrifice required for - FREEDOM and PRICE that sometimes must be paid - in BLOOD for a people to REMAIN FREE!!!

Men and women today do have the COURAGE of our forefathers and foremothers. That courage comes in many forms. The greatness of a nation is measured in its people. Ben Franklin who words you quoted "..."A republic; IF we can keep it!..." was speaking about the nature of humankind. A nature that is selfish, greedy, dehumanizing, and fraught with a need for power and control over others without limits. Our founders knew this, and Franklin's prophetic words are just as true today as they were when he spoke to them. A REPUBLIC requires ALL who live in it to accept the RESPONISIBILITY to engage in it or LOSE their RIGHT to do via the SOLE VOICES of those elected to govern them for a TIME.

It is when we consider the gravity of these words "...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Objective evinces a design to reduce them to absolute Despotism..." that add weight to the words in different document written as follows "We the people..." have a desire to "...establish justice..." so that as we "...insure domestic tranquility..." we can do so by "...providing for the common..." that will allow for us as a great people of all walks to come together to "...promote the general welfare..." so that as we "...secure the blessing of liberty for ourselves and our posterity..." we are able to achieve the dream of becoming not only a FREE people but a people whose objective it is to create "...a more perfect union...", precisely because as we, all of us, work to "...preserve, protect, and defend The Constitution of the Constitution of the United States..." as a Patriot in our own ways we know in our hearts and souls what the Founders, flawed as they knew themselves to be, realized that "...a government of the people, for the people, and by the people..." must include ALL its people, or it is not a government "...for all..." but only for the few. Nearly 250-yrs ago men (women too) of ALL types realized this and knew it would not be easy, and we'd be challenged as a people.

Also, SFC Jake Middaugh reminds us of George Orwell's equally prophetic statement - "...The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history...", which is very true! Very true - indeed! This is precisely why, history with ALL its warts must the explored (notice I did not say taught). We can teach dates in history that is easy enough. But HISTORY must be explored in the FULL light of day using the Socratic Method to ask questions and not recite rhetoric and dogma from a given point of view (RIGHT or LEFT). Such OPEN and HONEST debate is often rarer today because people are not EDUCATED, they are INDOCTORNATED! So, any system of education that is not able to ask questions 'with respect' that does not seek the wisdom of different ideas presented in "...peaceable assemble..." is dictatorial both in nature and in practice.

To the point that SSG Russell D. made regarding the those from the American Revolution. There are many who would be deserving of a Fort named after them. Again, it is about the process (i.e., the criteria) in FULL Day Light used in deciding the person or people to honor. Let those with COLD reason, as one might do for a PhD defense, address every argument made against the notion of a given person to honor to determine how well reason their defense is and does it stand up to honest scrutiny.

Finally, I offer this quote from a very famous (perhaps in some minds infamous) person:

"Duty then is the sublimest word in the English language. You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less."

Political correctness (PC) is ALWAYS dangerous and drips from the lips of people who are very often NOT deep thinkers. The nature of PC is aimed at the weak-minded and excessively emotional, always has been, always will be! This is the tool that has always been used to separate people from COMMON SENSE and what REAL FAITH requires - TRUST!!!

Perhaps, this quote by the same "very famous person" mentioned above is important to consider in our currently shared discourse:

“I cannot trust a man to control others who cannot control himself.”

Our new nation would not be simple, the Founders knew that! It is the checks and balances on "SELF-GOVERMENT" that are the most important for any of us to consider and to properly defend as the Founders were willing to defend when they were willing to "...pledge to each other our (i.e., their) Lives, our (i.e., their) Fortunes, and our (i.e., their) sacred Honor."

Just saying..................
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CPO Nate S.
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SSG (Join to see) - The correct word is "recipient" as it is bestowed by a "grateful nation" on those deserving of this honor! While I appreciate you catching my "fau pax", which I know better to use, I do continue to find it interesting how quick people are to point this out.

Again, people don't "win" the MoH as one might "win" a football game or chess match. It is bestowed for those acts "above and beyond the call of futy". My apologies! LTC Kevin B. did use the correct wording. I must be human or at best was tired lest I would and should have caught and self-corrected this myself. Again, thanks for pointing out this issue!
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SFC Jake Middaugh
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It's humorous to me about how the big Army (and the left side) always tries to change the names of something we've always had & used....
Like the now politically correct term of "DFAC or dining facility".
And yet - we still, and probably will always call it the "Chow Hall"!!!
To me, Ft Bragg has a special place in my heart, soul & memory - and it will always be Bragg, no matter how many different politically-correct left side terms they decide to rename it!
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SFC Jerry McLellen
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SGT Ashraf Hosein - Honor and dignity is exactly what each one of these individuals who had bases named after them had. I would suggest that you do a little research into each of these individuals that you fault for their role in our country's history. Many went on to continue service to the nation after the war.
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SFC Charles Larabee
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These bleeding heart liberals want to rewrite history,ok what are they going to do with the state of West virginia?? WVA was born out of the confederacy so while they are at it it's up for debate.
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SSG Russell D.
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SPC Lee Taylor - Finally, someone who has learned real history as I had learned it decades ago before political correctness & the left wing, spoiled wont work want everything for free woke crowd. History was my major in college in the 80s & 90s, when some people were still taught the truth, before left with zealots started to teach their opinion or get the news from the fake news media.
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SPC Lee Taylor
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SSG Russell D. - The trash that want to erase history are fools. I grew up in the 60s and 70s. I had good teachers at some of my schools that did things right esp in my last school of 2.5 years. After I got out of the Army in 84 I went to get my 2nd degree in Education which meant I had to take two history classes and one of them was manditory and the other I got to choose one from two choices. I am the type that HATE to have to spend money on something I have already had and well for me History had not changed since HS. I took this in the summer so I only had to do the class for a month every day and to be honest I didn't put much effort into the 1st class. I got called into the teachers office after my 1st test cause I had not done well cause of what I mentioned above. The teacher was a decent teacher and was doing things right I just was not putting effort into it.
We talked for a half an hour (oh and this was in the mid to later 80s) and I told him I had two or three years of history in HS and it hadn't changed and he said he hoped they did a better job in college. At best they did just as good as my HS teachers did when the grade mattered to me and I got As and Bs in History. Then he said we teach history so we do not repeat it, which makes sense but then I do not need to pay for it after HS. But what I told him back then is Well then those in congress fell asleep in class cause they are repeating it.
He didn't like that last comment much and said we will have to agree to disagree. I thought No I do not have to but didn't say anything.

When it came to the 2nd History class where I had a choice between two I asked him does either of them have cars in it at all and he said yes and told me which one. I took him as the instructor. Why? Well cause I already knew how he tested why lose that and go with a diff. teacher. lol I did the class in the summer again and we get into the late two weeks into the class and I am wondering where is the stuff with cars going to happen as I was into old cars. Well on Friday he asked What car was Archduke Franz Ferdinand
and his wife shot in that started WWI? Well back then we didn't even have ARRPANET so all of it was done buy leg work. It took me like 8 hours of card cataloge time and looking through books and magazines and I finally found it. Gräf & Stift.
There were 50 kids in the class and I had followed my low grade pattern of the other time I did history in College so I could put my time into other classes. Only one other person even tried and had the wrong answer. I finally piped up and when the prof said I was right one of his A students asked where I found it. And he was a history major.

It was the only part of the class with cars in it but it proved that I would work on something if I was interested in it.

When I heard that there are some Germans that do not believe the Holocast never happened I was shocked. We cannot allow this stuff to be taken down or renamed for any reason or its way to easy for another person with an agenda to just say it never happened. And that would be sad.
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