Posted on Oct 28, 2021
What type of discharge should I expect for refusing the covid vaccine?
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I have no negative marks on my record and have been in the army for over two years.
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Discharge
Coronavirus COVID19
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So all of the shots/vaccinations that the military has given you already and you didn't even know what some of them were or the background information or history of each one.... But this one (Covid vaccine) is different and a major problem??? A big enough problem for you to lose all or some of your VA benefits and/or sacrifice a career if you were planning on staying in? I don't get it.
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PO1 Christopher Brown
Under the Geneva codes, international law and the Nuremberg Code adopted by almost every nation.
It is against the law to coerce or force anyone to participate in an experiment or undergo experimental treatment.
Since the “Covid vaccines” were never truly authorized for use other than “emergency use” they are still considered experimental.
These laws and statues have been well established since the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic where soldiers were experimented on, The revelation of the Tuskegee experiments, and German experiments on unwilling test subjects during WWII.
Just because you “raised your hand” doesn’t mean you waived your rights as a human being or citizen of the United States. Raising your hand merely curtails your right to openly oppose your chain of command including the President.
People on here should really read up on the constitution and your rights under the UCMJ. The UCMJ does not supersede the constitution or international law. And any order given in contradiction to those entities is therefore unlawful, regardless of who’s giving it.
It is against the law to coerce or force anyone to participate in an experiment or undergo experimental treatment.
Since the “Covid vaccines” were never truly authorized for use other than “emergency use” they are still considered experimental.
These laws and statues have been well established since the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic where soldiers were experimented on, The revelation of the Tuskegee experiments, and German experiments on unwilling test subjects during WWII.
Just because you “raised your hand” doesn’t mean you waived your rights as a human being or citizen of the United States. Raising your hand merely curtails your right to openly oppose your chain of command including the President.
People on here should really read up on the constitution and your rights under the UCMJ. The UCMJ does not supersede the constitution or international law. And any order given in contradiction to those entities is therefore unlawful, regardless of who’s giving it.
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PO3 Robert Laity
Sgt Andrew Webster - The so called "vaccines" utilize messenger RNA and causes a continuous and unabating replication of the Covid spike protein causing the immune system to be always "on". The "Vaccines" contain graphene oxide and have so many potential adverse side effects, including blood clot dysfunction and myocarditis, that the best advice is NOT to take it. Natural immunity to covid is the best remedy. A basic tip is to take Zinc lozenges to prevent getting covid in the first place.
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Steve Spear
PO3 Robert Laity - the continuous replication doesn't sound quite right. Source? What's the mechanism for this unabating replication? A viral infection does that, with the virus hijacking cellular mechanisms to enable its own recreation (until the immune system kicks in to kill the virus). However, mRNA is not a complete virus, just a part. So, I'm not following how that continuously replicates. And as for the zinc, source on that one too? And as for natural immunity, the hospitalization and fatality rates, vaccinated versus unvaccinated suggest that 'natural immunity' is a costly remedy. Thanks.
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While I understand your concern with this shot, and now that I’m retired I no longer have a dog in this hunt, but when you raise your right hand to enlist you give up many of the rights you had as a civilian and vaccinations is one of them. My professional opinion to you is to suck it up and complete your enlistment and ETS honorably, otherwise get out and show potential employers you quit when you don't like something!
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TSgt (Join to see)
SGT (Join to see) these are the toxic leaders that are making personnel commit suicide.
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PO1 Christopher Brown
Your views are utter non-sense. Just because you raised your hand doesn’t mean you gave up your rights afforded you under the constitution or the protections given you under international law.
Any order given in contradiction is unlawful and should not be followed.
Every vaccine given has been fully vetted and approved for use by the FDA. The Covid Vaccine has not. It bypassed animal trials due to the alarming death toll and went straight to human trials. Those trials are ongoing until 2023.
This makes the “Covid Vaccine” experimental and therefore NOT approved by the proper safety checks of the FDA.
Phizer and other manufacturers have since listed 100’s of possible side affects as established by those who simply took the shot and either died within 24 hours, or have suffered from various side affects such as neural damage, respiratory failure, reproductive anomalies, increased rates of cancer, etc.
Hell, even the former head of Naval medicine concluded the vaccine had “effectively killed more sailors than the virus did”.
And you want this young person to simply “suck it up”??
As far as “civilian employers” go. They are being sued by employees who were wrongfully terminated and losing millions of dollars in back pay because the courts have sided with the employees.
Honor, courage and commitment my ass!!! That kind of “obey your masters” attitude is why we’re in this mess.
Any order given in contradiction is unlawful and should not be followed.
Every vaccine given has been fully vetted and approved for use by the FDA. The Covid Vaccine has not. It bypassed animal trials due to the alarming death toll and went straight to human trials. Those trials are ongoing until 2023.
This makes the “Covid Vaccine” experimental and therefore NOT approved by the proper safety checks of the FDA.
Phizer and other manufacturers have since listed 100’s of possible side affects as established by those who simply took the shot and either died within 24 hours, or have suffered from various side affects such as neural damage, respiratory failure, reproductive anomalies, increased rates of cancer, etc.
Hell, even the former head of Naval medicine concluded the vaccine had “effectively killed more sailors than the virus did”.
And you want this young person to simply “suck it up”??
As far as “civilian employers” go. They are being sued by employees who were wrongfully terminated and losing millions of dollars in back pay because the courts have sided with the employees.
Honor, courage and commitment my ass!!! That kind of “obey your masters” attitude is why we’re in this mess.
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PO1 Christopher Brown
LTC Charles Barber
Wow!! Trump personal gains… he came into office with 8 billion dollars and left with 5 billion. How exactly did he “gain”??
However, your president just took a 17 million dollar kickback from the 40 billion we sent to Ukraine and labeled it as “operating expenses”.
You call yourself a Colonel?? In who's Army? Stalin’s??
Wow!! Trump personal gains… he came into office with 8 billion dollars and left with 5 billion. How exactly did he “gain”??
However, your president just took a 17 million dollar kickback from the 40 billion we sent to Ukraine and labeled it as “operating expenses”.
You call yourself a Colonel?? In who's Army? Stalin’s??
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PO1 David M Burns
during the Korean and Vietnam war I had so many shots that my ass looked like a pin cushion! the only one I got away with not taking was the GG shot! saw so many people walking around like" Chester" that I forged this one on my shot record! still around and none the worse for wear!
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As it stands now, they will all be categorized as general under honorable.
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Soldiers who refuse could face "administrative or non-judicial punishment [under the Uniform Code of Military Justice] -- to include relief of duties or discharge," according to the new Army guidelines obtained by Military.com.
Administrative action includes initiating what is called a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, or GOMOR, for all refusals without an allowed exemption. The reprimand is widely seen as a military career killer but can, under certain circumstances, be tossed from a soldier's record.
All judicial action will be launched by colonels in a soldier's chain of command, or a general in units without a colonel.
Soldiers who have pending decisions on medical or religious exemptions will not face any adverse action.
EDIT:
Soldiers who refuse could face "administrative or non-judicial punishment [under the Uniform Code of Military Justice] -- to include relief of duties or discharge," according to the new Army guidelines obtained by Military.com.
Administrative action includes initiating what is called a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, or GOMOR, for all refusals without an allowed exemption. The reprimand is widely seen as a military career killer but can, under certain circumstances, be tossed from a soldier's record.
All judicial action will be launched by colonels in a soldier's chain of command, or a general in units without a colonel.
Soldiers who have pending decisions on medical or religious exemptions will not face any adverse action.
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Maj Scott Kiger
This was the correct way to answer the question on this Forum. All the other idiots criticizing someone's decision who was merely asking a question have lost sight of what this Forum is for and with. SPC Lucas Adams asked a very simple question and then got attacked "Politically" and I would say even Further got abused by some members merely for asking the question. Those of you idiots that attacked the questioner for asking need to step back and ask yourself if you have given up your Rights to Free Speech. THe LEFT in this country has taken up the tact of ATTACKING and DEMONIZING anyone that disagrees with them or even Questions their opinion.
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SPC John Tacetta
CPL Bruce Ailiff - Slow down High Speed, you're going to overheat! POG or not, you're expected to follow a lawful order: assault that hill! I bet your shot record has some crazy shit on it aside from this one, so why all the drama?
I million dead from Covid, less than 100 dead from vaccine reactions and currently greater than 90 percent of Covid deaths are unvaccinated people. Where are you going to place your money?
I million dead from Covid, less than 100 dead from vaccine reactions and currently greater than 90 percent of Covid deaths are unvaccinated people. Where are you going to place your money?
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GySgt Thomas Lieb
You’ve been misinformed about this vaccine it was created in the same manner as all the other shots of a similar purpose, using modern ( but proven) techniques to get it to the hands of medical professionals a little quicker. In the arms of literally millions and millions of people around the world without adverse results. It’s a shame to avoid or void a potential military career of misplaced fear. CPL Bruce Ailiff
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