Posted on Oct 28, 2021
What type of discharge should I expect for refusing the covid vaccine?
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I have no negative marks on my record and have been in the army for over two years.
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Coronavirus COVID19
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So all of the shots/vaccinations that the military has given you already and you didn't even know what some of them were or the background information or history of each one.... But this one (Covid vaccine) is different and a major problem??? A big enough problem for you to lose all or some of your VA benefits and/or sacrifice a career if you were planning on staying in? I don't get it.
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PO3 Jerry Baldwin
Wow, either there's a bunch of leftist plants in here or they have really infiltrated the ranks of our military. Vaccines work or they don't and it's fairly obvious, even from what the CDC says, that the vaccines they're pushing don't work because of the number of fully vaccinated people contracting the disease. Wake up and don't be a guinea pig for big pharma.
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SPC Will Keller
The fact that the DOD is lying blatantly and changing the medical records of our troops for these vaccines that ARE NOT FDA approved is cause for concern.
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SFC Jim Freshour
In 20 years this shot (not a vaccine) will be the next Agent Orange, Gulf war syndrome, or burn pit disease.
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While I understand your concern with this shot, and now that I’m retired I no longer have a dog in this hunt, but when you raise your right hand to enlist you give up many of the rights you had as a civilian and vaccinations is one of them. My professional opinion to you is to suck it up and complete your enlistment and ETS honorably, otherwise get out and show potential employers you quit when you don't like something!
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SPC Jeremy A
MSG Harvey Kane - Are you ready? When a cell needs to make a specific protein or proteins it needs a blueprint with which to build that protein. That blueprint is called messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA). The cells deoxy ribonucleic acid (DNA) untwists a section from its spiral double helix and the two strands of DNA separate in the area that codes for the protein needed. Special enzymes (transcriptase) then read the DNA sequence and assemble the needed mRNA sequence from that spot. The DNA then rejoins and coils again. The cell then assembles amino acids together, based on the order the mRNA codes for, and a protein is made.
By INTRODUCING mRNA not created in the cell (or even in the BODY) through the cell membrane the cells operations are MANIPULATED by that GENETIC MATERIAL to create proteins (covid spike proteins) that are completely alien to an unvaccinated recipient. Hence, "genetic manipulation"
It's what I went to college to study. I wouldn't consider it "listening to no nothings".
By INTRODUCING mRNA not created in the cell (or even in the BODY) through the cell membrane the cells operations are MANIPULATED by that GENETIC MATERIAL to create proteins (covid spike proteins) that are completely alien to an unvaccinated recipient. Hence, "genetic manipulation"
It's what I went to college to study. I wouldn't consider it "listening to no nothings".
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MSG Harvey Kane
Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines
Learn more about how mRNA vaccines trigger our immune systems to produce antibodies that protect us against COVID-19.
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As it stands now, they will all be categorized as general under honorable.
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Soldiers who refuse could face "administrative or non-judicial punishment [under the Uniform Code of Military Justice] -- to include relief of duties or discharge," according to the new Army guidelines obtained by Military.com.
Administrative action includes initiating what is called a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, or GOMOR, for all refusals without an allowed exemption. The reprimand is widely seen as a military career killer but can, under certain circumstances, be tossed from a soldier's record.
All judicial action will be launched by colonels in a soldier's chain of command, or a general in units without a colonel.
Soldiers who have pending decisions on medical or religious exemptions will not face any adverse action.
EDIT:
Soldiers who refuse could face "administrative or non-judicial punishment [under the Uniform Code of Military Justice] -- to include relief of duties or discharge," according to the new Army guidelines obtained by Military.com.
Administrative action includes initiating what is called a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, or GOMOR, for all refusals without an allowed exemption. The reprimand is widely seen as a military career killer but can, under certain circumstances, be tossed from a soldier's record.
All judicial action will be launched by colonels in a soldier's chain of command, or a general in units without a colonel.
Soldiers who have pending decisions on medical or religious exemptions will not face any adverse action.
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MSG Harvey Kane
Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines
Learn more about how mRNA vaccines trigger our immune systems to produce antibodies that protect us against COVID-19.
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SPC Jeremy A
MSG Harvey Kane - I've already posted a response to this exact piece somewhere else. This is a copy/paste of the article with my comments. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you actually read the article you posted. It's a wall of text but if you don't read it and don't provide specific examples of where my statements are incorrect I'll take that as an assumption that my science is good and this discussion is over.
How mRNA Vaccines Work
To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines. (((<b>I am guilty of saying this</b>))). Instead, mRNA vaccines use mRNA created in a laboratory ((("Created genetic material" I am guilty of saying this))) to teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies((("produced a foreign protein" I am guilty of saying this))). That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies. (((I have never disputed what the immune system is or how it works)))
COVID vaccine
First, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. The mRNA will enter the muscle cells and instruct the cells’ machinery to produce a harmless piece of what is called the spike protein. (((<b>"enter your cells, introduce created genetic material that your cells then used to produced a foreign protein which was released into your bloodstream"</b>))) The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. After the protein piece is made, our cells break down the mRNA and remove it. (THIS would indicate that mRNA has a 1 to 1 relationship with the protein it codes for. The actual number is up to 40) (references available upon request, from Harvard)
Next, our cells display the spike protein piece on their surface. Our immune system recognizes that the protein doesn’t belong there. This triggers our immune system to produce antibodies and activate other immune cells to fight off what it thinks is an infection. This is what your body might do to fight off the infection if you got sick with COVID-19. (This, THE PART WHERE THE CREATED PROTEIN ELICITS AN IMMUNE RESPONSE and is the way any other vaccine works and as stated, I'm OK with this part)
At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection from the virus that causes COVID-19. The benefit of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is that those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the potentially serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19. Any temporary discomfort experienced after getting the vaccine is a natural part of the process and an indication that the vaccine is working.
Facts About COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines cannot give someone the virus that causes COVID-19 or other viruses.
mRNA vaccines do not use the live virus that causes COVID-19 and cannot cause infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 or other viruses.
They do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way. (agreed)
mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell where our DNA (genetic material) is located, so it cannot change or influence our genes.
The mRNA and the spike protein don’t last long in the body. (agreed, but article presents mRNA to transcribed proteins is 1 to 1 and that is not the case)
Our cells break down mRNA and get rid of it within a few days after vaccination.
Scientists estimate that the spike protein, like other proteins our bodies create, may stay in the body up to a few weeks.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html
However the technology being new, operating by genetic manipulation, fast tracking and no long term studies are my issues.
How mRNA Vaccines Work
To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines. (((<b>I am guilty of saying this</b>))). Instead, mRNA vaccines use mRNA created in a laboratory ((("Created genetic material" I am guilty of saying this))) to teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies((("produced a foreign protein" I am guilty of saying this))). That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies. (((I have never disputed what the immune system is or how it works)))
COVID vaccine
First, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. The mRNA will enter the muscle cells and instruct the cells’ machinery to produce a harmless piece of what is called the spike protein. (((<b>"enter your cells, introduce created genetic material that your cells then used to produced a foreign protein which was released into your bloodstream"</b>))) The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. After the protein piece is made, our cells break down the mRNA and remove it. (THIS would indicate that mRNA has a 1 to 1 relationship with the protein it codes for. The actual number is up to 40) (references available upon request, from Harvard)
Next, our cells display the spike protein piece on their surface. Our immune system recognizes that the protein doesn’t belong there. This triggers our immune system to produce antibodies and activate other immune cells to fight off what it thinks is an infection. This is what your body might do to fight off the infection if you got sick with COVID-19. (This, THE PART WHERE THE CREATED PROTEIN ELICITS AN IMMUNE RESPONSE and is the way any other vaccine works and as stated, I'm OK with this part)
At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection from the virus that causes COVID-19. The benefit of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is that those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the potentially serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19. Any temporary discomfort experienced after getting the vaccine is a natural part of the process and an indication that the vaccine is working.
Facts About COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines cannot give someone the virus that causes COVID-19 or other viruses.
mRNA vaccines do not use the live virus that causes COVID-19 and cannot cause infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 or other viruses.
They do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way. (agreed)
mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell where our DNA (genetic material) is located, so it cannot change or influence our genes.
The mRNA and the spike protein don’t last long in the body. (agreed, but article presents mRNA to transcribed proteins is 1 to 1 and that is not the case)
Our cells break down mRNA and get rid of it within a few days after vaccination.
Scientists estimate that the spike protein, like other proteins our bodies create, may stay in the body up to a few weeks.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html
However the technology being new, operating by genetic manipulation, fast tracking and no long term studies are my issues.
Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines
Learn more about how mRNA vaccines trigger our immune systems to produce antibodies that protect us against COVID-19.
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Capt John Schmitt
Services are refusing to consider any exemption filings. And none have yet been reviewed or considered; though there have been discharges of service members with pending exemptions. One publicized includes refusing to be tested, which was ordered/instructed and not challenged as unlawful. Officer relieved prior to deployment, & administratively retired.
Enlisted is a bit more complicated, unless also administratively / medically retired.
Enlisted is a bit more complicated, unless also administratively / medically retired.
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