Posted on Oct 21, 2014
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While I will always be proud to have served as a United States Army Senior Enlisted Soldier I would like to solicit feedback as to what changes you would suggest be made to our enlisted ranks?

I have been a long time proponent for eliminating the rank of Specialist (SPC/E-4) and making all Soldiers in this Grade of Rank Corporals (CPL/E-4). In addition, I would support a change in the title of address for the Sergeant First Class (SFC/E-7) grade of rank. While with said change I believe that all enlisted Soldiers should be addressed by their full grade of rank.

These are a few of my suggested changes that I believe will streamline the enlisted ranks, save money, increase discipline and pride in service while rewarding those who work hard to obtain military grade of rank.
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LTC Hbpc Physician Assistant
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I would bring back SPC5,6. Not every E-4 wants to be an NCO, some E-5/6 shouldn't be.
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I would bring back Technical Ranks, and use them for E-5 through E-7. They would be a tool to allow people with technical knowledge to get paid and retained for that knowledge. They would be treated the same as an NCO of the same grade, however a Technician 5 would be outranked by any corporal or higher and a Technician 6 or 7 by any Sergeant or higher when it came to leadership vs. technical issues. Technicians would receive enough leadership training to lead small teams, however leadership training would drop off from there in favor of advanced technical training.
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SFC Enlisted Advisor To Human Research And Development
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I think that SPC should simply be what they are called. SPC are auto-promoted to their ranks and it has nothing to do with their competence in any field. Stop the auto promotions. Do not give a SPC more money for finally filling the role they were supposed to.

Becoming a NCO Corps with no real specialty would be a shame. You would have missions being run by leaders that are even more disconnected than they are now. Please stop and think for a moment what that would do. Imagine the NCO Corps being just as distant as a new LT but with more gusto for doing things their way.

Calling a person by their whole rank would be a good thing but I don't think it should stop with NCOs. If your going to call a Sergeant First Class by the while of it, do it with the privates as well. I was quite proud when I was a PFC vs a PV2. Make that mean something again.

I don't think it is the rank structure that needs an overhaul. It is the mentality of those who observe and uphold it that needs to be adjusted. A SPC should be as strong to Jr. Enlisted as a SGM is for Sr. Enlisted, and a corporal should rain the authority of an NCO. It separates them and provides that lowest level of leadership that is needed without making the SGT look like they are micro managing.

Just my opinion, but we should not abandon or change something that is not used to its full capacity because we are not using it well.
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SFC Scott Parkhurst
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SFC (Join to see) - Oh okay...The question was kinda of vague for me...sorry about that! I was wondering there..LoL! My bad! Then I would say that I kind of like how the ranks are now. I personally don't see a problem.
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Specialist should mean exactly that. A person with special skills. They should have to prove competence in their specialty before promotion and there should be published qualifications for each promotion as well as a "Sample Test" for each. If a Specialist wants to become a "hard stripe" they should have to demonstrate leadership competence. Just because you can disassemble/repair/reassemble a HMV does NOT mean you know how to LEAD soldiers under fire, and THAT is the mission of a "hard stripe". The actual off-sets should be pretty easy to figure out... Specialists are ONLY experts in their Specialty. Command decisions are left to "hard stripes", who, if they're not stupid use the resources they have at their disposal, which includes KNOWING the Specialists and WHO to use as a resource for WHAT Special support or input. BTW if a Specialist is stagnant, not moving ahead and learning they should be encouraged, then warned, then removed. "If you're NOT growing you ARE going."
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The biggest problem the Army has in terms of enlisted ranks is the E4 mafia. And by that I mean the rank of specialist. The rank of specialist conveys no authority unless the Soldier is in a team leader position, and it just encourages people to tread water. Bring back the hard stripe corporal and make PFC's wait to get promoted.

The Army adopted the specialist ranks for morale purposes so they could promote Soldiers that worked in technical, not leadership positions. Well guess what, a team leader in the motor pool, the admin section, or in a hospital is still responsible for the training and development of their Soldiers the same way a soldier in the infantry, artillery, or armor is.

One of my biggest gripes is hearing a troop bitch that they should be getting promoted to the next pay grade. Too many Soldiers view the next promotion as more money, not more responsibility. You're not 'getting' anything. You're being selected for the next leadership position and you'd better be ready for it
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SGT Greg Gold you hit the nail on the head. Too many Soldiers are impatient about getting promoted, viewing it only as an opportunity to get paid more and feel like they have power over others. I try to stress to my Soldiers that it means being entrusted to lead and being given the responsibility of taking care of more Soldiers. It seems people forget the line of the NCO creed that states that one of the basic NCO responsibilities to be held uppermost in the mind is "the welfare of my Soldiers" as well as the promise that "I know my Soldiers and I will always place their needs above my own."
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I enlisted in 84 and waited 3 yrs to be promoted to E-4 because of the budgets. When i was promoted to E-4 I already was working way above my pay grade. I find that today it's more of a money issue than anything else. If you don't make enough you will leave, so rather than promoting based on compentacy you promote for retention. We live in a whole new ERA...
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I would add a pay scale to the grade of E-9. A BN CSM has an O-5 for a Battle Buddy. He is an E-9. A BDE CSM has an O-6 Battle Buddy.....still an E-9, but has an exponentialy increased amount of responsibility. Keep climbing, and your pay grade remains the same, while your Battle Buddy's pay increases significantly.
I am also for bringing back SPC5,6, and so on. There are a lot of folks out there wearing stripes that really shouldn't be, all in the name of advancement.
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SFC Logistics Management Specialist
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On the subject of the Specialist/Technical ranks we all have seen the tic turds that chose the right MOS who were at the right place at the right time get promoted over other more qualified contempoaries. There are SFC's, MSG's and a very small number of SGM's that were simply promoted because someone showed them a whole lot of love. lol This is why I am glad that we have great leader's that are well aware of this. But reintroducing Specialist/Technical ranks is like giving a cripple crab a crutch. It is fine time that true leaders weed out the lip service Soldier's from those who are our brightest and best performer's. Leaders are not born they are first great follower's. If an Enlisted Soldier is not cut out for the NCO ranks I believe the solution is complete their enlistment and seek more fitting employment thereafter.
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SFC Logistics Management Specialist
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Maybe Biomedical Technicians or Laboratory Technicians who have special ASI's to where they never leave Garrison or go anywhere such as Fort Detrick where meeting a Soldier who has been there from Private to Master Sergeant is common place.
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CSM Donald Waterhouse - If they did bring back the SPC-5-8 then the stripes should be more prominent. Even the Navy has a better handle on image.
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SFC (Join to see) - And then you lose that engine specialist who can listen to the noise a turbine makes when you feed it some nut shells and tell you if it's trashed or not... net cost? A redlined aircraft, truck, MLRS. Specialists are very necessary, but Military Management has become a JOKE. Those who are too LAZY to excel should be GONE. Hopefully shunted into a backwater where they have a minimal effect on ANYthing until they leave. Those who DO excel should be recognized and made aware that their contribution is NOT ONLY appreciated but rewarded. I know several "Specialists" who left the services they were in, to triple their incomes in the civvy world. They took a few tests, written AND practical, and were making serious money within a year. Those are the folks YOU NEED TO KEEP, but FUBAR management practices drive them out. Bad juju.
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