Posted on May 16, 2016
What would you do if you saw a man follow your daughter into the bathroom?
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Does anyone else see the absurdity of all of this? So NC passes an unenforceable law. Unenforceable? Think about it. People only are permitted to use a public restroom based on the gender specified on their birth certificate. Yes, that law. How would you enforce it? A person who appears to be a woman is about to enter the women's restroom. Do you stop and ask her for her birth certificate? Does she have it? Do you carry yours to every bathroom? Step 2: Someone files a lawsuit saying this unenforceable law violates their civil rights. Okay. Let the courts decide. But before they can, the President of the United States, in his copious free time, having no other crisis to deal with, pronounces that everyone must be allowed to use whichever bathroom they choose. By what authority? Actually, he uses the authority of a thug. Follow my orders or I'll cut off all federal funding to your state. That's thugish. I has no legal basis. Now do you see the absurdity of it all?
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COL Ted Mc
CPT Jack Durish - Captain; The REALLY simple solution is to outlaw "multiple occupancy" bathrooms.
I mean, just because the person standing at the next urinal to me is male, how do I know that he isn't peeping at me peeing and thus violating my privacy?
Besides the stimulus to the construction trades and the bathroom equipment manufacturing businesses will do the economy a world of good.
Everyone should get behind H.B. 666, the "Federal Lavatory Upgrade Sustainable Help Improve Toilets" act that provides the government funds needed to complete this highly desirable program.
I mean, just because the person standing at the next urinal to me is male, how do I know that he isn't peeping at me peeing and thus violating my privacy?
Besides the stimulus to the construction trades and the bathroom equipment manufacturing businesses will do the economy a world of good.
Everyone should get behind H.B. 666, the "Federal Lavatory Upgrade Sustainable Help Improve Toilets" act that provides the government funds needed to complete this highly desirable program.
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
This hasn't been a issue for three decades. Now Obama is making it front and center. And I saw a post in Fox that Obama mouth piece is saying it's only a guide line.
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Lt Col Mark DeVore
CPT Everyone seems to miss the point here- especially in the media. This wasn't an irrational move by the NC legislature to deny rights and discriminate- it was a reply to a nonsense regulation passed by the City of Charlotte. The State of NC just said- "hold on- not so fast." I think the President and federal government should follow and let this be worked out the state/local level.
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PO1 Matthew Maxon
Birth Certificates are confidential information. You have to show ID to police when asked but not your SSN card, the Birth Certificate is the same. Id tell someone to "Fuck Off" if they asked for mine. This whole thing is stupid.
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If by man you mistakenly mean transgender woman I would probably allow her to go pee since that is the only thing transgender women have been doing in bathrooms for the decade that 18 states have allowed it.
If what you mean is an actual man then I would politely ask him if he had entered the wrong bathroom. I imagine he would probably say "oh I did" since statistically speaking your daughter is more likely to be assaulted by a family member, clergy member or educator than a random stranger in a public restroom. In fact instances of that are almost non existent and have never been a result of a man pretending to be transgender. So I would be much more likely to assume that he was a janitor, that he was checking on his elderly mother or young daughter or that it was an early stage trans woman who did not yet get to enjoy passing privilege than that it was a rapist pretending to be a Trans woman to pray on my daughter.
In fact I would probably be finding myself wondering how it is that a country full of sane, rational people with the whole internet at their fingertips kept drawing the conclusion that the statistically least likely thing was going to happen. It would be like not swimming in the ocean for fear of sharks or flying in a plane for fear of crashing.
Of course I'm an educated person capable of making my own decisions and capable of teaching my children love and understanding while also teaching them to be aware of their surroundings. Maybe that's odd.
If what you mean is an actual man then I would politely ask him if he had entered the wrong bathroom. I imagine he would probably say "oh I did" since statistically speaking your daughter is more likely to be assaulted by a family member, clergy member or educator than a random stranger in a public restroom. In fact instances of that are almost non existent and have never been a result of a man pretending to be transgender. So I would be much more likely to assume that he was a janitor, that he was checking on his elderly mother or young daughter or that it was an early stage trans woman who did not yet get to enjoy passing privilege than that it was a rapist pretending to be a Trans woman to pray on my daughter.
In fact I would probably be finding myself wondering how it is that a country full of sane, rational people with the whole internet at their fingertips kept drawing the conclusion that the statistically least likely thing was going to happen. It would be like not swimming in the ocean for fear of sharks or flying in a plane for fear of crashing.
Of course I'm an educated person capable of making my own decisions and capable of teaching my children love and understanding while also teaching them to be aware of their surroundings. Maybe that's odd.
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LTJG (Join to see)
PO2 Mark Saffell - Nobody here is advocating for the right to "expose" themselves to anyone.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
LTJG (Join to see) I wish that was true but its not. Read about the 50 families suing the school because the school buckled under pressure when they allowed a student to use the girls shower but to change behind a curtain and he threatened to sue the school. So yes this person sued to be able to change in plain view of the girls.
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LTJG (Join to see)
PO2 Mark Saffell - I'd have to see that source, but as you said, one of us can not speak for all of us. There are always outliers, but the general push from the trans community is that we just want to mind our own business in the bathrooms where we belong. No exposing ourselves.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
LTJG (Join to see) here is one article on it. If you read it all you will see they set it up so it was done behind a curtain and that didn't satisfy the person.
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Ask yourself this: do you really mean a man, or do you mean anyone who you think looks like a man? Women are being assaulted every day now because some overprotective men *think* that these women look like men. Are you really making women's bathrooms safe from men when you are the man who beats up a woman just because you *thought* she looked like a man?
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PO2 Mark Saffell
LTJG (Join to see) Yes I grew up before airbags, CDs DVD, VHS Central AC, Cell Phones and the internet. I understand you are a person that doesn't assault others but you cant speak for ALL Transgender people as I cant for all males. I can only speak to myself and some to my 4 kids. Even them I cant say 100% other than they are mine when it comes to dumb things they may do in life. And YOU can change without a woman knowing because you choose to. And I'm sorry. This conversation started based on Obama's ruling to force SCHOOLS to comply with his word. You don't think other students assaults other students??
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SPC (Join to see)
PO2 Mark Saffell - I didn't think people still took showers in public schools. I never have. Never had the time, will, or requirement, despite having the resources.
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SPC (Join to see)
Also i know plenty of people that "double-dressed" in high school and middle school so all they had to do was walk in the the locker room and put on or take off a layer. I've never been to a gym that made you shower. Every public pool i went to that had showers also had a spricket near the pool area where most people just rinsed off, dried themselves, and went home to shower if anything.
On another note, none of this would have been blown up if NC hadn't tried to shove it's ideology down the throat of Charlotte. No one knew about any of this and everyone used the bathroom in general comfort and peace.
On another note, none of this would have been blown up if NC hadn't tried to shove it's ideology down the throat of Charlotte. No one knew about any of this and everyone used the bathroom in general comfort and peace.
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LTJG (Join to see)
People are getting upset over Obama micromanaging and creating a law for this, but he only did it because NC micromanaged and made a law that was unnecessary in the first place.
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