Posted on Jan 7, 2016
What would you do if your Sergeant didn't know how to load a magazine?
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I just saw this video and felt like I was watching a multi-car accident on the interstate. It just got worse as it went on. What made it so bad as this was a SGT. The Safety was professional as he could be. Hats off to him. When I heard her say "I'm not Active Duty" I would have kicked her off the range. I am glad the Safety told her that she was a soldier and that he was a reservist too. If I was her CO I would have do everything I could to reduce her. But I think if you have a NCO like this in your unit the unit itself has a lot of issues in the first place. What kills me also is that she has a combat patch.
What would you have if you were the Safety?
Just so you know that you know it is believed that they Safety was a SSG just the same as was the soldier trying to load the mag.
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What would you have if you were the Safety?
Just so you know that you know it is believed that they Safety was a SSG just the same as was the soldier trying to load the mag.
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CPT Russell Pitre Well if you are not trained you are not trained. I guess her unit doesn't feel the need for PMI? What about BRM? It has been over 25 years since I went through it, but I am pretty sure the Drills cover that shit. On a different note, not making excuses but we can fuck up the easiest stuff at any time. While I was a BDE OPs SGM, I had a major brain fart and put my flag on the wrong shoulder of my shitty ACUs. At around 1200 a SSG told me I was fucked up (not his words) and told me about the flag. I was happy as a pig in mud that he had the balls to tell me I looked like a dumb ass. IMO that video was not necessary. Make the correction do the training with the Soldier on how to do it correctly and drive on. No need for this kind of shit to be put on the internet to ridicule and embarrass Soldiers. And that is the main purpose of sites like the one this video was posted on. This all IMO so take it with a grain of salt if you want.
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CMSgt Steve Pennington
SGM Wettstein is right on target. I had a similar range experience with an admin. type SNCO. I had just finished the first relay, and was waiting for the second relay to complete their course of fire, so I went to the range master and offered to coach the SNCO. We got through the course of fire, the SNCO qualified and we got off the range.
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This is exactly why we need to drill and train harder. This is basic knowledge, we should all know. I don't care if you are a desk jockey, or any other MOS. You need to know this and it should be taught during drill. You need to have the hands on training during drill, because when you train harder you bleed less. This is why when I see a soldier all ate up, I am not afraid to pull them aside and teach them the basics. We need our soldiers to be the best and with out the correct leadership great training will always be lacking. So if you are a leader, don't hide in your office during drill weekend. Lead by example! Ohh Rah Semper Fi!
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Aside from the fact that it's in poor taste to film spot corrections and post them to social media...I'm hoping this is either a joke or a training film?
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Melissa Didericksen Didericksen
MSgt Pete Erkelenz - My husband spent about 12 years in the Reserves and they did their best to be prepared for deployment in fact that is when he deployed the most was when he was in the Reserves and when he was Active duty it was mostly stateside posts.
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Cpl Adam Rader
Or the coach.. It's more of a fuck up on her instructors for not recognizing she needs extra guidance
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When the filming becomes a spectacle and not for internal constructive use is where it goes wrong. The focus should be on training the untrained.....not filming the untrained.
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Oh sweet Jesus...
Yup, she'd be off my firing line quick, fast, and in a hurry.
First, she'd get some instructions... pointy side of bullet towards enemy, check?
Then she'd spend some quality time in the ammo shed loading magazines until she got it.
Not that I've never seen it before, but they had some exotic range procedures having that Sergeant load her own mags sitting at a picnic table behind the firing line with her rifle right there. Now I get that we're all grown-ups, but if she's any indication of the training level of the unit on the range, that ammo needs to be more tightly controlled. The whole reason you control ammo on a range is to prevent NDs (or worse).
Yup, she'd be off my firing line quick, fast, and in a hurry.
First, she'd get some instructions... pointy side of bullet towards enemy, check?
Then she'd spend some quality time in the ammo shed loading magazines until she got it.
Not that I've never seen it before, but they had some exotic range procedures having that Sergeant load her own mags sitting at a picnic table behind the firing line with her rifle right there. Now I get that we're all grown-ups, but if she's any indication of the training level of the unit on the range, that ammo needs to be more tightly controlled. The whole reason you control ammo on a range is to prevent NDs (or worse).
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SFC Nicole White
How about giving the soldier weapons instruction then putting her back on the firing line. Loading magazines wouldn’t teach her anything. But that’s the problem with leaders today. Punish soldiers for the leader’s failure to ensure the soldier is properly trained.
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SFC Nicole White - If you would have seen the video, you would understand why I said that.
I think PMI is something that you do before you get on the range. Once you are trying to zero, it is on you. Having said that, I know who my Soldiers are that are less proficient at marksmanship, and every time my unit is on the range, I am out there ensuring they use the fundamentals to get a good zero.
I am proud to say that in six years of being in front of a company, I have never had a no go on WQ. That is not an accident.
The NCO depicted in the video is clearly flustered by her inability to shoot accurately, and the tool hassling her while she tries to load ammo is unhelpful as well. Once your head is out of the game and fatigue has set in, you won't get a good zero no matter how many times she shoots. Clearly, she has qualified before or she wouldn't be an NCO. She needs to come off the line and chill a bit, then give it another go.
I think PMI is something that you do before you get on the range. Once you are trying to zero, it is on you. Having said that, I know who my Soldiers are that are less proficient at marksmanship, and every time my unit is on the range, I am out there ensuring they use the fundamentals to get a good zero.
I am proud to say that in six years of being in front of a company, I have never had a no go on WQ. That is not an accident.
The NCO depicted in the video is clearly flustered by her inability to shoot accurately, and the tool hassling her while she tries to load ammo is unhelpful as well. Once your head is out of the game and fatigue has set in, you won't get a good zero no matter how many times she shoots. Clearly, she has qualified before or she wouldn't be an NCO. She needs to come off the line and chill a bit, then give it another go.
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SGT Thomas Gorgas
got the following for this walking disaster: GET OFF MY RANGE, YOU ARE A NO-GO AT THIS STATION! They would not come back until they could demonstrate to me they knew how to properly load a magazine.
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MSG(P) Roger Billings
Listen that is a teaching point that should have been covered by her Sr. I have run many ranges the only thing I kicked anybody off the range for was safety. I spent almost 10 yes as a mob trainer I saw it all believe me
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