Posted on Nov 6, 2015
When are you authorized to wear two of the same ribbon?
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While it may be authorized to wear a second AAM representing your 10th award, I find it a little bit ridiculous. I think I would just wear the one ribbon with appurtences showing 9th award. Especially for such a low award. I equate the second ribbon to wearing the Expert badge for Grenade.
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SSG Robert Webster
CSM (Join to see) - Why would a soldier buy two different racks, when he could continue to use the previous rack that they possessed and use the new one for the DA photo?
And what about the spirit of the directive in paragraph 22-2, Chapter 22, AR 670-1? Or think about it this way; Wearing the two ribbons for the DA Photo is mandatory IAW regulations, where on other occasions, unless mandated (and in this case usually directly mandated), it is at the discretion of the service member.
And what about the spirit of the directive in paragraph 22-2, Chapter 22, AR 670-1? Or think about it this way; Wearing the two ribbons for the DA Photo is mandatory IAW regulations, where on other occasions, unless mandated (and in this case usually directly mandated), it is at the discretion of the service member.
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CSM (Join to see)
You're reading too deeply SSG W.....at some point the previous writer bought a rack (bought rack # 1 for say XX ribbons). If he was awarded a 10th of anything...he's stuck with either not having it put on his records (since he previously declared it "a bit ridiculous" and said he'd "just wear the one") ..... or if he had it in his records, he'd be required to wear it for a DA photo. (hence bought rack #2 for XX + 1). Hence my comment about "having" two racks (I believe you took it literally as if in the end he'd have purchased three)
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1SG (Join to see)
If he didn't wear it someone would be busting his ? About not wearing it, lol. Damned if you do and .......
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Good catch and good question to ask. I would probably just leave the extra ribbon off and wait for that next AAM to catch up with me.....10 or 11 or 15.....does it really matter at that point?
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SFC (Join to see)
I know it does but I still don't understand it. The list of awards and ribbons are there along with the paperwork when a board is looking at your DA photo. It is important to be correct in accordance with AR 670-1. In AR 670-1 22-2 says, "b. Unless directed by a commander per paragraph 22–2(a), authorized awards are worn at the option of the wearer, when not prohibited, during normal duty hours. Personnel also may wear authorized awards on appropriate uniforms when off duty. Personnel are encouraged to wear authorized awards on the service, dress, and mess uniforms." Encouraged by not required. DA PAM 670-1 and AR 600-8-22 make no mention of mandatory wear of everything Not saying don't wear it but I wouldn't gig a guy because he isn't wearing, say, an Overseas Training Ribbon. That is what I had to buy a new rack for, for my DA photo.
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SFC (Join to see)
Crap. Didn't look at AR 640-30. 7a "(3) Wear basic branch insignia, all permanently authorized awards, decorations, combat and special skill badges and tabs. If affiliated, regimental insignia will be worn. The shoulder sleeve insignia (patch) and distinctive unit insignia (crests) will be worn and are the only exceptions from the permanent rule."
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SFC (Join to see)
AR 640-30, what I quoted above, says you will wear all authorized awards.
If I was sitting on a board I wouldn't ding someone for not wearing all authorized ribbons, awards etc. I might ask a question after looking at the SRB/ERB/2-1 and seeing something missing if it looks interesting. Nothing else I have seen published requires you to wear everything. Just like wearing a CSIB, CIB, EIB, and badges are up to the wearer.
If I was sitting on a board I wouldn't ding someone for not wearing all authorized ribbons, awards etc. I might ask a question after looking at the SRB/ERB/2-1 and seeing something missing if it looks interesting. Nothing else I have seen published requires you to wear everything. Just like wearing a CSIB, CIB, EIB, and badges are up to the wearer.
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Response by SSG Hasbun answers this one (good job btw!), but.......
Anyone see anything wrong with the SWASM? Keep in mind that the first award INCLUDES one star. You wear one star for each period of service (IAW AR 600-8-22, 2-14e)......
Just askin.......
Anyone see anything wrong with the SWASM? Keep in mind that the first award INCLUDES one star. You wear one star for each period of service (IAW AR 600-8-22, 2-14e)......
Just askin.......
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MAJ Alvin B.
The Southwest Asia Setice Medal was awarded for the entire period of the Persian Gulf War, not just Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Included below,are several links from, The Institute of Heraldry, the Govt Printing Office, USAF and USN. The full time frame includes three campaigns: Desert Shield, Desert Storm and the Cease Fire (unofficially Desert Calm
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Catalog/Heraldry.aspx?HeraldryId=15308&CategoryId=4&grp=4&menu=Decorations%20and%20Medals&ps=24&p=0
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2008-title32-vol3/xml/CFR-2008-title32-vol3-sec578-27.xml
http://www.afpc.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=7808
https://awards.navy.mil/awards/webapp01.nsf/(vwAwardsDisp)/AW-10052085N3LN?OpenDocument
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Catalog/Heraldry.aspx?HeraldryId=15308&CategoryId=4&grp=4&menu=Decorations%20and%20Medals&ps=24&p=0
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2008-title32-vol3/xml/CFR-2008-title32-vol3-sec578-27.xml
http://www.afpc.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=7808
https://awards.navy.mil/awards/webapp01.nsf/(vwAwardsDisp)/AW-10052085N3LN?OpenDocument
(a) The Southwest Asia Service Medal (SWASM) was established by Executive Order 12754, March 12, 1991. It is awarded to all members of the Armed Forces of the United States serving in Southwest Asia and contiguous waters or airspace thereover, on or after August 2, 1990 to November 30, 1995. Southwest Asia and contiguous waters, as used herein, is defined as an area which includes the Persian Gulf, Red Sea, Gulf of Oman, Gulf of Aden, that...
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LTC David B.
Ok, so given the bio (states "2 bronze service stars"), the photo, and thanks to MAJ Bedgood, the above references (I tend to go with the AR, but each actually cites the AR), what's the verdict? He participated in 2 of the 3 campaigns, Desert Shield & Desert Storm. How many bronze stars are worn on the ribbon?
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LTC David B.
Re usage of "bronze service stars," I was merely citing from the bio. 2 stars should be worn on the ribbon in question; one for Desert Shield and one for Desert Storm.
Also, there is no time frame for the award that is not covered by one of the 3 campaigns so (IAW 2-14e) the ribbon would never be worn alone but will always have at least one bronze campaign star.
Also, there is no time frame for the award that is not covered by one of the 3 campaigns so (IAW 2-14e) the ribbon would never be worn alone but will always have at least one bronze campaign star.
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When awarded an additional AAM, the SM should get an oak leaf cluster for his ribbon. It should annotated on his orders that way as well.
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George Avery
The problem would come with the 10th Award, since you can only wear four devices (one silver and four bronze oak leaf clusters + ribbon= 10 awards but five devices). Not a problem if you get an 11th (two silver oak leaf clusters)
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Read the Regulation DUMBASS! Please come to my unit. HQ 1-306th IN. So I can show you! You are an idiot and probably a little bitch!!I am at Ft. Stewart GA. I have also received another AAM since this photo and now have two silver oak leaf clusters on a single ribbon!
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
No disrespect SFC (Join to see) but that post you just made is unprofessional as hell. I see why they are trimming the army down to get people like you out. You're a disgrace to your unit and the army.
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CPO Jared Zdrojowy
I honestly hope this gets back to his CoC. Your conduct in this post is disgraceful. Learn how to conduct yourself on social media SFC Weeks. I know the Navy has one and I'm reasonable certain the Army has a regulation regarding proper use of Social media as well. Perhaps you should peruse those regulations yourself.
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1SG (Join to see)
Both SFC Weeks and SPC Voye have crossed the line here. We can do better than this, people.
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PV2 (Join to see)
Agreed SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" and 1SG (Join to see). YES we can and SHOULD do better people!
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