Posted on Sep 16, 2020
When given rights by an E-5, can an E-4 (not promotable) give corrective training (aka. smoke) to another E-4?
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I've seen where an E-4 (not promotable yet) give a corrective training(aks. smoke) another E-4 (also not promotable yet) for over 30 minutes saying they were given a right by an E-5 to do so for them.
I was wondering if that is within a regulation
I was wondering if that is within a regulation
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Posted 5 y ago
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If the first SPC is in a designated Leadership position, then by general military authority, yes that SPC can assign corrective training to another SPC. Giving a Counseling statement and assigning a corrective action such as an essay, sure. However, my concern is that if the first SPC is NOT in a leadership position, then being delegated by a SGT to conduct a smoke session has a hinky feel to it. So many questions run thru my head on this one.
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SSG Robert Perrotto - And that is the reason of the hinky feeling and many questions in my head
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SSG Robert Perrotto
MSG (Join to see) - Honest opinion, if the infraction was enough to warrant a 30 minute smoke session, then it should have been put on paper to begin with, with corrective measure outlined and fitting to what the infraction was in the plan of action section. If what the OP is saying is true event, then I have some serious questions in regards to the NCO who authorized this.
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CSM William Everroad
I would argue that a smoke session should not be delegated. There are so many nuances to when that is appropriate as a measure of corrective action, it would be unreasonable to expect an E4 to have the knowledge or experience to execute the training without crossing a line.
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WTF??? 30 minute smoke session from one E4 to another???? It would never happen in the Corps. If you make someone do push ups, you do it with them. At least that was the way is was in my day.
I'm not sure of the regs, but incentive training, smoke sessions or whatever it is being called is rarely an effective method of training. Rethink your methodology. Train them to be a good soldier by setting the example. If the soldier is deficient, train them specifically on that deficiency. Otherwise you are just getting them stronger for the day they decide to break your jaw.
I'm not sure of the regs, but incentive training, smoke sessions or whatever it is being called is rarely an effective method of training. Rethink your methodology. Train them to be a good soldier by setting the example. If the soldier is deficient, train them specifically on that deficiency. Otherwise you are just getting them stronger for the day they decide to break your jaw.
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That is the same as in the US Army infantry. You do the push ups with them. Lead by example!! GySgt Kenneth Pepper
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That E-4 must be in a leadership position to do so. A smoke session is considered corrective training, so if that E-4 is not in a leadership position, the E-5 must conduct the corrective training. If it doesn't fit their schedule, then they need to find another time where it does fit their schedule.
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