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This picture has stirred up some debate on Facebook because the Marine isn't saluting during the national anthem. In my nearly 10 years I have never seen a salute rendered indoors except when reporting to an officer or board, receiving a promotion or award, or by an individual on guard duty.
I've looked at AR 600-25 and it's not very clear to me. Armystudyguide.com says no you don't.
What's the correct answer?
I've looked at AR 600-25 and it's not very clear to me. Armystudyguide.com says no you don't.
What's the correct answer?
National Anthem
Drill and Ceremony
Saluting
Customs and Courtesies
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About Saluting
General
The origin of the hand salute is uncertain. Some historians believe it began in late Roman times when assassinations were common. A citizen who wanted to see a public official had to approach with his right hand raised to show that he did not hold a weapon. Knights in armor raised visors with the right hand when meeting a comrade. This practice gradually became a way of showing respect and, in early American history, sometimes involved removing the hat. By 1820, the motion was modified to touching the hat, and since then it has become the hand salute used today. When to Salute
a. Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled (by grade) to a salute except when it is inappropriate or impractical (in public conveyances such as planes and buses, in public places such as inside theaters, or when driving a vehicle). A salute is also rendered:
(1) When the United States National Anthem, "To the Color," "Hail to the Chief," or foreign national anthems are played.
(2) To uncased National Color outdoors.
(3) On ceremonial occasions as prescribed in Chapter 9.
(4) At reveille and retreat ceremonies, during the raising or lowering of the flag.
(5) During the sounding of honors.
(6) When pledging allegiance to the US flag outdoors.
(7) When turning over control of formations.
(8) When rendering reports.
(9) To officers of friendly foreign countries.
b. Salutes are not required when:
(1) Indoors, except when reporting to an officer or when on duty as a guard.
(2) A prisoner.
(3) Saluting is obviously inappropriate. (Example: A person carrying articles with both hands, or being otherwise so occupied as to make saluting impracticable, is not required to salute a senior person or return the salute to a subordinate.) In any case not covered by specific instructions, the salute is rendered.
(4) Either the senior or the subordinate is wearing civilian clothes.Reporting Indoors
When reporting to an officer in his office, the soldier removes his headgear, knocks, and enters when told to do so. He approaches within two steps of the officer's desk, halts, salutes, and reports, "Sir (Ma'am), Private Jones reports." The salute is held until the report is completed and the salute has been returned by the officer. When the business is completed, the soldier salutes, holds the salute until it has been returned, executes the appropriate facing movement, and departs. When reporting indoors under arms, the procedure is the same except that the headgear is not removed and the soldier renders the salute prescribed for the weapon with which he is armed.
NOTE: The expression under arms means carrying a weapon in your hands, by a sling or holster.
General
The origin of the hand salute is uncertain. Some historians believe it began in late Roman times when assassinations were common. A citizen who wanted to see a public official had to approach with his right hand raised to show that he did not hold a weapon. Knights in armor raised visors with the right hand when meeting a comrade. This practice gradually became a way of showing respect and, in early American history, sometimes involved removing the hat. By 1820, the motion was modified to touching the hat, and since then it has become the hand salute used today. When to Salute
a. Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled (by grade) to a salute except when it is inappropriate or impractical (in public conveyances such as planes and buses, in public places such as inside theaters, or when driving a vehicle). A salute is also rendered:
(1) When the United States National Anthem, "To the Color," "Hail to the Chief," or foreign national anthems are played.
(2) To uncased National Color outdoors.
(3) On ceremonial occasions as prescribed in Chapter 9.
(4) At reveille and retreat ceremonies, during the raising or lowering of the flag.
(5) During the sounding of honors.
(6) When pledging allegiance to the US flag outdoors.
(7) When turning over control of formations.
(8) When rendering reports.
(9) To officers of friendly foreign countries.
b. Salutes are not required when:
(1) Indoors, except when reporting to an officer or when on duty as a guard.
(2) A prisoner.
(3) Saluting is obviously inappropriate. (Example: A person carrying articles with both hands, or being otherwise so occupied as to make saluting impracticable, is not required to salute a senior person or return the salute to a subordinate.) In any case not covered by specific instructions, the salute is rendered.
(4) Either the senior or the subordinate is wearing civilian clothes.Reporting Indoors
When reporting to an officer in his office, the soldier removes his headgear, knocks, and enters when told to do so. He approaches within two steps of the officer's desk, halts, salutes, and reports, "Sir (Ma'am), Private Jones reports." The salute is held until the report is completed and the salute has been returned by the officer. When the business is completed, the soldier salutes, holds the salute until it has been returned, executes the appropriate facing movement, and departs. When reporting indoors under arms, the procedure is the same except that the headgear is not removed and the soldier renders the salute prescribed for the weapon with which he is armed.
NOTE: The expression under arms means carrying a weapon in your hands, by a sling or holster.
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Naval personnel, which includes the Marine Corps is different. We don't salute without a cover (hat for you civilians) it's not really because we're indoors with the exception of being under Duty (Guard, MP's, Chaser) it's because when indoors, we uncover (take out hats off) and we never salute uncovered except as I mentioned. Got me in trouble when I joined the Army until I got used to it. WHY this Marine in the picture isn't saluting while covered is a mystery.
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As far as I know, the only service that does NOT salute indoors in the Navy -- for traditional reasons. And, while the Marine Corps does fall under the Department of the Navy, their drill and ceremonies are more in line with the Army. In any case, this marine is wearing a cover so, for the purposes of D&C he's outdoors. He is not rendering proper military courtesy to the National Anthem.
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Here is the FM on saluting FM 3-21.5.
This is an exert from the reg.
A-1. WHEN TO SALUTE
Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons
entitled (by grade) to a salute except when it is inappropriate or impractical (in public
conveyances such as planes and buses, in public places such as inside theaters, or when
driving a vehicle).
a. A salute is also rendered—
• When the United States National Anthem, “To the Color,” “Hail to the Chief,”
or foreign national anthems are played.
• To uncased National Color outdoors.
• On ceremonial occasions as prescribed in Part Two, Ceremonies.
• At reveille and retreat ceremonies, during the raising or lowering of the flag.
• During the sounding of honors.
• When the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. flag is being recited outdoors.
• When turning over control of formations.
• When rendering reports.
• To officers of friendly foreign countries.
b. Salutes are not required when—
• Indoors, except when reporting to an officer or when on duty as a guard.
• Addressing a prisoner.
• Saluting is obviously inappropriate. In these cases, only greetings are
exchanged. (Example 1: A person carrying articles with both hands, or being
otherwise so occupied as to make saluting impracticable, is not required to
salute a senior person or return the salute to a subordinate.)
• Either the senior or the subordinate is wearing civilian clothes.
c. In any case not covered by specific instructions, the salute is rendered.
A-2. REPORTING INDOORS
When reporting to an officer in his office, the soldier removes his headgear, knocks, and
enters when told to do so. He approaches within two steps of the officer’s desk, halts,
salutes, and reports, “Sir (Ma’am), Private Jones reports.” The salute is held until the
report is completed and the salute has been returned by the officer. When the business is
completed, the soldier salutes, holds the salute until it has been returned, executes the
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appropriate facing movement, and departs. When reporting indoors under arms, the
procedure is the same except that the headgear is not removed and the soldier renders the
salute prescribed for the weapon with which he is armed.
NOTES: 1. The expression “under arms” means carrying a weapon in your hands by a
sling or holster.
2. When reporting to a non-commissioned officer, the procedures are the
same, except no salutes are exchanged.
A-3. REPORTING OUTDOORS
When reporting outdoors, the soldier moves rapidly toward the officer, halts
approximately three steps from the officer, salutes, and reports (as when indoors). When
the soldier is dismissed by the officer, salutes are again exchanged. If under arms, the
soldier carries the weapon in the manner prescribed for saluting.
A-4. SALUTING PERSONS IN VEHICLES
The practice of saluting officers in official vehicles (recognized individually by grade or
identifying vehicle plates and or flags) is considered an appropriate courtesy. Salutes are
not required to be rendered by or to personnel who are driving or riding in privately
owned vehicles except by gate guards, who render salutes to recognized officers in all
vehicles unless their duties make the salute impractical. When military personnel are
drivers of a moving vehicle, they do not initiate a salute (AR 600-25).
A-5. OTHER SALUTES
Other instances when saluting is an issue are discussed herein.
a. In Formation. Individuals in formation do not salute or return salutes except at
the command Present, ARMS. The individual in charge salutes and acknowledges
salutes for the entire formation. Commanders of organizations or detachments that are not
a part of a larger formation salute officers of higher grade by bringing the organization or
detachment to attention before saluting. When in the field under battle or simulated battle
conditions, the organization or detachment is not brought to attention. An individual in
formation at ease or at rest comes to attention when addressed by an officer. (Refer to
paragraph 3-5f, for more information on the hand salute).
b. Not in Formation. On the approach of an officer, a group of individuals not in
formation is called to Attention by the first person noticing the officer, and all come
sharply to Attention and salute. This action is to be taken at approximately 6 paces away
from the officer, or the closest point of approach. Individuals participating in games, and
members of work details, do not salute. The individual in charge of a work detail, if not
actively engaged, salutes and acknowledges Salutes for the entire detail. A unit resting
alongside a road does not come to Attention upon the approach of an officer; however, if
the officer addresses an individual (or group), the individual (or group) comes to
Attention and remains at Attention (unless otherwise ordered) until the termination of the
conversation, at which time the individual (or group) salutes the officer.
c. Outdoors. Whenever and wherever the United States National Anthem, “To the
Color,” “Reveille,” or “Hail to the Chief’ is played, at the first note, all dismounted
personnel in uniform and not in formation face the flag (or the music, if the flag is not in
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view), stand at Attention, and render the prescribed Salute. The position of Salute is held
until the last note of the music is sounded. Military personnel not in uniform will stand at
Attention (remove headdress, if any, with the right hand), and place the right hand over
the heart. Vehicles in motion are brought to a Halt. Persons riding in a passenger car or
on a motorcycle dismount and salute. Occupants of other types of military vehicles and
buses remain in the vehicle and sit at attention; the individual in charge of each vehicle
dismounts and renders the Hand Salute. Tank and armored car commanders salute from
the vehicle.
d. Indoors. When the National Anthem is played indoors, officers and enlisted
personnel stand at Attention and face the music, or the flag if one is present.
NOTE: Narrators or printed programs can help inform spectators of appropriate
responses.
A-6. SALUTING COLORS
National and organizational flags, which are mounted on flagstaffs equipped with finials,
are called Colors. Military personnel passing an uncased National Color salute at six
steps distance and hold the Salute until they have passed six steps beyond it. Similarly,
when the uncased Color passes by, they salute when it is six steps away and hold the
Salute until it has passed six steps beyond them.
NOTE: Small flags carried by individuals, such as those carried by civilian spectators
at a parade, are not saluted. It is improper to salute with any object in the right
hand or with a cigarette, cigar, or pipe in the mouth.
A-7. UNCOVERING
Officers and enlisted men under arms uncover only when—
• Seated as a member of (or in attendance on) a court or board.
• Entering places of divine worship.
• In attendance at an official reception.
Personnel remove their headdress indoors. When outdoors, military headdress is never
removed, or raised as a form of salutation. When appropriate, civilians may be saluted in
lieu of removing the headdress.
A-8. SALUTING UPON BOARDING NAVAL SHIPS
When Army personnel board U.S. Navy ships, either as an individual or as a unit leader,
they salute according to naval procedures.
a. When boarding a naval ship, upon reaching the top of the gangway, face and
salute the national ensign. After completing this salute, salute the officer of the deck who
will be standing on the quarter deck at the head of the gangway. When saluting the
officer of the deck, request permission to board, “Sir, Request permission to come
aboard.” The officer of the deck will return the salute.
b. When leaving the ship, render the same salutes in reverse order, and request
permission to leave, “Sir, Request permission to go ashore.”
This is an exert from the reg.
A-1. WHEN TO SALUTE
Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons
entitled (by grade) to a salute except when it is inappropriate or impractical (in public
conveyances such as planes and buses, in public places such as inside theaters, or when
driving a vehicle).
a. A salute is also rendered—
• When the United States National Anthem, “To the Color,” “Hail to the Chief,”
or foreign national anthems are played.
• To uncased National Color outdoors.
• On ceremonial occasions as prescribed in Part Two, Ceremonies.
• At reveille and retreat ceremonies, during the raising or lowering of the flag.
• During the sounding of honors.
• When the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. flag is being recited outdoors.
• When turning over control of formations.
• When rendering reports.
• To officers of friendly foreign countries.
b. Salutes are not required when—
• Indoors, except when reporting to an officer or when on duty as a guard.
• Addressing a prisoner.
• Saluting is obviously inappropriate. In these cases, only greetings are
exchanged. (Example 1: A person carrying articles with both hands, or being
otherwise so occupied as to make saluting impracticable, is not required to
salute a senior person or return the salute to a subordinate.)
• Either the senior or the subordinate is wearing civilian clothes.
c. In any case not covered by specific instructions, the salute is rendered.
A-2. REPORTING INDOORS
When reporting to an officer in his office, the soldier removes his headgear, knocks, and
enters when told to do so. He approaches within two steps of the officer’s desk, halts,
salutes, and reports, “Sir (Ma’am), Private Jones reports.” The salute is held until the
report is completed and the salute has been returned by the officer. When the business is
completed, the soldier salutes, holds the salute until it has been returned, executes the
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appropriate facing movement, and departs. When reporting indoors under arms, the
procedure is the same except that the headgear is not removed and the soldier renders the
salute prescribed for the weapon with which he is armed.
NOTES: 1. The expression “under arms” means carrying a weapon in your hands by a
sling or holster.
2. When reporting to a non-commissioned officer, the procedures are the
same, except no salutes are exchanged.
A-3. REPORTING OUTDOORS
When reporting outdoors, the soldier moves rapidly toward the officer, halts
approximately three steps from the officer, salutes, and reports (as when indoors). When
the soldier is dismissed by the officer, salutes are again exchanged. If under arms, the
soldier carries the weapon in the manner prescribed for saluting.
A-4. SALUTING PERSONS IN VEHICLES
The practice of saluting officers in official vehicles (recognized individually by grade or
identifying vehicle plates and or flags) is considered an appropriate courtesy. Salutes are
not required to be rendered by or to personnel who are driving or riding in privately
owned vehicles except by gate guards, who render salutes to recognized officers in all
vehicles unless their duties make the salute impractical. When military personnel are
drivers of a moving vehicle, they do not initiate a salute (AR 600-25).
A-5. OTHER SALUTES
Other instances when saluting is an issue are discussed herein.
a. In Formation. Individuals in formation do not salute or return salutes except at
the command Present, ARMS. The individual in charge salutes and acknowledges
salutes for the entire formation. Commanders of organizations or detachments that are not
a part of a larger formation salute officers of higher grade by bringing the organization or
detachment to attention before saluting. When in the field under battle or simulated battle
conditions, the organization or detachment is not brought to attention. An individual in
formation at ease or at rest comes to attention when addressed by an officer. (Refer to
paragraph 3-5f, for more information on the hand salute).
b. Not in Formation. On the approach of an officer, a group of individuals not in
formation is called to Attention by the first person noticing the officer, and all come
sharply to Attention and salute. This action is to be taken at approximately 6 paces away
from the officer, or the closest point of approach. Individuals participating in games, and
members of work details, do not salute. The individual in charge of a work detail, if not
actively engaged, salutes and acknowledges Salutes for the entire detail. A unit resting
alongside a road does not come to Attention upon the approach of an officer; however, if
the officer addresses an individual (or group), the individual (or group) comes to
Attention and remains at Attention (unless otherwise ordered) until the termination of the
conversation, at which time the individual (or group) salutes the officer.
c. Outdoors. Whenever and wherever the United States National Anthem, “To the
Color,” “Reveille,” or “Hail to the Chief’ is played, at the first note, all dismounted
personnel in uniform and not in formation face the flag (or the music, if the flag is not in
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view), stand at Attention, and render the prescribed Salute. The position of Salute is held
until the last note of the music is sounded. Military personnel not in uniform will stand at
Attention (remove headdress, if any, with the right hand), and place the right hand over
the heart. Vehicles in motion are brought to a Halt. Persons riding in a passenger car or
on a motorcycle dismount and salute. Occupants of other types of military vehicles and
buses remain in the vehicle and sit at attention; the individual in charge of each vehicle
dismounts and renders the Hand Salute. Tank and armored car commanders salute from
the vehicle.
d. Indoors. When the National Anthem is played indoors, officers and enlisted
personnel stand at Attention and face the music, or the flag if one is present.
NOTE: Narrators or printed programs can help inform spectators of appropriate
responses.
A-6. SALUTING COLORS
National and organizational flags, which are mounted on flagstaffs equipped with finials,
are called Colors. Military personnel passing an uncased National Color salute at six
steps distance and hold the Salute until they have passed six steps beyond it. Similarly,
when the uncased Color passes by, they salute when it is six steps away and hold the
Salute until it has passed six steps beyond them.
NOTE: Small flags carried by individuals, such as those carried by civilian spectators
at a parade, are not saluted. It is improper to salute with any object in the right
hand or with a cigarette, cigar, or pipe in the mouth.
A-7. UNCOVERING
Officers and enlisted men under arms uncover only when—
• Seated as a member of (or in attendance on) a court or board.
• Entering places of divine worship.
• In attendance at an official reception.
Personnel remove their headdress indoors. When outdoors, military headdress is never
removed, or raised as a form of salutation. When appropriate, civilians may be saluted in
lieu of removing the headdress.
A-8. SALUTING UPON BOARDING NAVAL SHIPS
When Army personnel board U.S. Navy ships, either as an individual or as a unit leader,
they salute according to naval procedures.
a. When boarding a naval ship, upon reaching the top of the gangway, face and
salute the national ensign. After completing this salute, salute the officer of the deck who
will be standing on the quarter deck at the head of the gangway. When saluting the
officer of the deck, request permission to board, “Sir, Request permission to come
aboard.” The officer of the deck will return the salute.
b. When leaving the ship, render the same salutes in reverse order, and request
permission to leave, “Sir, Request permission to go ashore.”
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Even though Bush changed some things up the USMC still follows their own rules for honor and tradition.
https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/Messages-Display/Article/886473/customs-and-traditions/
https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/Messages-Display/Article/886473/customs-and-traditions/
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Marines do not render a salute NOR wear a cover inside unless they are also wearing a Duty Belt and are on duty.
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I understand very well the regulations but if you are wearing headgear you will salute in door.
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When I was in the Army, The only time you kept a "cover" on, indoors, was if you were" under arms". A proper hand salute was required for the National Anthem. Indoors or out. That being said, is it possible that the individual pictured is NOT actually a Marine?
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