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When should I take first leave signing 18x contract
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The pipeline is so long that the only reliable date you can give is that you will have an exodus each Christmas, or at your first duty station if/when you become one of the 90+% who don't make it through to finish.
Seriously, if you haven't signed your contract already, don't sign up for 18X. You can attend Selection at any time you want in the Army without signing a five year contract and being obligated to an MOS you don't want if you fail or get injured
Seriously, if you haven't signed your contract already, don't sign up for 18X. You can attend Selection at any time you want in the Army without signing a five year contract and being obligated to an MOS you don't want if you fail or get injured
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Larry Goodwin that's what people who watch Disney movies think. Out here in the real world we plan for both success and failure.
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Larry Goodwin
SFC I have a goal and I go get it. I don't quit I don't stop no Disney about it. I started my own masonry business at 21 and did 14 pallet stonework jobs by myself and I'm 27 now and the company is still going. I don't plan for failure because it's not an option.
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Larry Goodwin lol
Failure is not an option... The only people who have never met failure are the ones who haven't tried to attempt something hard.
Whether or not you succeed and spend days on end in the team room planning a mission, or you fail and end up as an 11B planning for operations during an NTC rotation, planning for failure is part of the planning process. You literally have to plan for the worst case scenario because hope is not a plan.
Every Infantryman in Basic Training wants to be a Ranger and they all say they're going to make it because they'd never quit, failure isn't an option, they'd rather die than quit, etc. Yet, most of them don't make it. When your teammates rate you low and you're not selected, or you get hurt, or a family matter pulls you out of the pipeline, or you just don't perform well enough to meet the time hacks, then you're stuck with a five year contract in a job you didn't want. I have literally met hundreds of failed 18X and Option 40 Soldiers in the Army who come to me as the Career Counselor hoping for a different job because they're now stuck with a five year contract in an MOS they didn't pick. Do you know how many cooks I've met who entered the Army under an 18X contract? They wanted to be door kickers and now the only thing they are kicking is people's bowels at field chow.
You say you're a business man, let me explain it in a business term so it makes more sense.
Let's say I come to you to sell a subscription for one of my products. Product A requires a five year subscription. I don't guarantee it will work, it has a 90% fail rate for new users, I don't guarantee a replacement, if it does fail I substitute a product of my choice (the lowest ranked product in my inventory) and you're still obligated for a five year subscription.
Product B requires a three year subscription, you can choose almost any product from my lineup, they all have exceptionally high success rates with a long history of successful use. Plus, if you choose, you can try out Product A free of charge, no obligation, and if it works for you we can change your subscription to that, and if it doesn't you are still free to renew your subscription for whatever you choose in three years.
I'm sure if your employee purchased Product A because they "don't plan for failure" you would fire them.
I don't know you and your choice makes no difference to me. I'm a Career Counselor, my job is to try to keep you in the Army longer, if you commit to five years that's your wasted life, not mine. But as a person who has attended and been selected from all the Selections you will probably ever attend in your life, listen to some wisdom and put your ego on the back burner. 18X is the most successful recruiting program the Army has for Recruiting 11Bs. You can go to selection as soon as you get to your first duty station without obligating yourself to a five year contract, or risking ending up in an MOS you don't want to be in.
It's your life so you do what you want, but don't be surprised if I see you over here at the 173rd or in the 82nd in a year or so. Good luck
Failure is not an option... The only people who have never met failure are the ones who haven't tried to attempt something hard.
Whether or not you succeed and spend days on end in the team room planning a mission, or you fail and end up as an 11B planning for operations during an NTC rotation, planning for failure is part of the planning process. You literally have to plan for the worst case scenario because hope is not a plan.
Every Infantryman in Basic Training wants to be a Ranger and they all say they're going to make it because they'd never quit, failure isn't an option, they'd rather die than quit, etc. Yet, most of them don't make it. When your teammates rate you low and you're not selected, or you get hurt, or a family matter pulls you out of the pipeline, or you just don't perform well enough to meet the time hacks, then you're stuck with a five year contract in a job you didn't want. I have literally met hundreds of failed 18X and Option 40 Soldiers in the Army who come to me as the Career Counselor hoping for a different job because they're now stuck with a five year contract in an MOS they didn't pick. Do you know how many cooks I've met who entered the Army under an 18X contract? They wanted to be door kickers and now the only thing they are kicking is people's bowels at field chow.
You say you're a business man, let me explain it in a business term so it makes more sense.
Let's say I come to you to sell a subscription for one of my products. Product A requires a five year subscription. I don't guarantee it will work, it has a 90% fail rate for new users, I don't guarantee a replacement, if it does fail I substitute a product of my choice (the lowest ranked product in my inventory) and you're still obligated for a five year subscription.
Product B requires a three year subscription, you can choose almost any product from my lineup, they all have exceptionally high success rates with a long history of successful use. Plus, if you choose, you can try out Product A free of charge, no obligation, and if it works for you we can change your subscription to that, and if it doesn't you are still free to renew your subscription for whatever you choose in three years.
I'm sure if your employee purchased Product A because they "don't plan for failure" you would fire them.
I don't know you and your choice makes no difference to me. I'm a Career Counselor, my job is to try to keep you in the Army longer, if you commit to five years that's your wasted life, not mine. But as a person who has attended and been selected from all the Selections you will probably ever attend in your life, listen to some wisdom and put your ego on the back burner. 18X is the most successful recruiting program the Army has for Recruiting 11Bs. You can go to selection as soon as you get to your first duty station without obligating yourself to a five year contract, or risking ending up in an MOS you don't want to be in.
It's your life so you do what you want, but don't be surprised if I see you over here at the 173rd or in the 82nd in a year or so. Good luck
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To answer the question, you will be first eligible to take leave after completing selection. You must complete the 4 week selection. If selected, you will be given a Q course date. If you do not complete selection, you will be reclassed into needs of the army and the first available leave you will be able to take is either at the conclusion of OSUT or AIT.
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