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Here is where I stand: The media and the government would have us believe that torture is some necessary thing; That we need it to get information & assert ourselves. But I believe that torture is for the torturer or for the guy giving orders to the torturer & is useless as a means of getting information.
Just War Theory: "Enemy combatants who surrendered or who are captured no longer pose a threat. It is therefore wrong to torture them or otherwise mistreat them."
Just War Theory: "Enemy combatants who surrendered or who are captured no longer pose a threat. It is therefore wrong to torture them or otherwise mistreat them."
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Torture gives more bad information than it does give useful information... That alone should be reason enough as to why we don't do it in the Military.
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LTC Paul Labrador
ALL information given is always verified before taken as actionable. And people are told if they are caught lying, the consequences are grave.
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I find it ironic that our congress men and women detest torture, but they have no problem with soldiers killing our enemies.
That is like saying, I like sweet potatoes but don''t like the skin.
Anyway i am bored right now thinking of torturing a fly that keeps buzzing 'round my head.
That is like saying, I like sweet potatoes but don''t like the skin.
Anyway i am bored right now thinking of torturing a fly that keeps buzzing 'round my head.
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Knowing some enemies of the US to plot attacks to kill Americans and my fellow uniformed brethren are being tortured in America's defense doesn't cause me to lose any sleep at night.
There are times when I wish torture could be used in the US prison system for murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and molesters
There are times when I wish torture could be used in the US prison system for murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and molesters
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LTC Martin Metz
We're still a nation of laws. Application of torture gets very personal and justice loses to revenge when that happens.
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In relation to the military we don't torture. But for clandestine federal agencies that operate in this matter, I feel it's perfectly fine. Ya know why, now that I'm out of the Army and a police officer, any chance to stop a another terrorist attack is fine with me, plus a bit of me takes pleasure in the fact that these animals get a bit of their own pain. Live by the sword, die by it!
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SSG Russ Hittle
With all do respect. It was my understanding that under Bush it wasn't against the law for them to waterboard, sleep deprive, etc. To call it torture I think is a misnomer. Also individuals at that level of federal government don't become cops! That is straight conjecture on your part.
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Personally I think you shouldnt be in the Army if you think that way, and have to wonder if youd be the type to go lay water out across our states bordering Mexico to help them survive the illegal crossing into the United States....
With that said, I think the United States has held its head high long enough, I see no reason why we should be the only country that plays fair and regulate our Soldiers and contracts from extracting information. Our Soldiers get beheaded for accidentally or intentionally(in some cases) burning a Kuran. And what do we receive? Training on how to properly handle a Kuran...
I am sure there is surveys and reports that X amount of percent of interrogations lead to false reporting or lies just to end the suffering. But there terrorists, so I truly dont give two $hits what they go through, they have done worst, and if given the opportunity will do worst. Are mistakes made? Sure but its war, alot of things become fuzzy and in the grey matter, we are not the peace corps nor the boyscouts, we didnt goto these countries to show them how to make smores.
With that said, I think the United States has held its head high long enough, I see no reason why we should be the only country that plays fair and regulate our Soldiers and contracts from extracting information. Our Soldiers get beheaded for accidentally or intentionally(in some cases) burning a Kuran. And what do we receive? Training on how to properly handle a Kuran...
I am sure there is surveys and reports that X amount of percent of interrogations lead to false reporting or lies just to end the suffering. But there terrorists, so I truly dont give two $hits what they go through, they have done worst, and if given the opportunity will do worst. Are mistakes made? Sure but its war, alot of things become fuzzy and in the grey matter, we are not the peace corps nor the boyscouts, we didnt goto these countries to show them how to make smores.
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I firmly believe that torture by whatever means is necessary to gain information required to protect our troops. Must this nation be the only one which plays by the rules of the Geneva Convention when most others do not? Maybe it is extreme cruelty, but then is that not what war is?
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I recently posted a podcast on the topic of torture and interrogation. Being a former interrogator and interrogation instructor I take this subject to heart. The podcast is at http://www.spreaker.com/user/rishoy if any of you would like to listen. I do get into detail regarding International and US law regarding torture as well as the moral implications of the use of torture. Above all, as a professional interrogator I do know that a more effective alternative does exist, at least for interrogators that have the proper skill set. If fact next week I am launching a new web based business that teaches the Art of Persuasion.
Robert Ishoy
Robert Ishoy
Historian, former military intelligence instructor, security professional and social scientist.
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There's a difference between torture and interrogation, but they're but exclusive.
"Torture", (or what Democrats and other enemies of the war in Iraq call anything that makes a known terrorist prisoner uncomfortable, with hopes he will divulge life saving information) must definitely does give good information when applied correctly, rather than simply to harm (like in the movies).
Any graduate of SERE (at least ones who graduated when... techniques... were still being used in the curriculum) knows absolutely they work well.
At any rate a big reason we're in this dilemma is that democrats insisted even terrorists be treated either as civilians or as enemy combatants. The Geneva conventions do not apply to terrorists. When we decided that they should, we created our own ethical dilemma. I'm not upset if a guy that murdered 800 of his own people gets slapped around a bit until he gives up a cell still out there hurting people
"Torture", (or what Democrats and other enemies of the war in Iraq call anything that makes a known terrorist prisoner uncomfortable, with hopes he will divulge life saving information) must definitely does give good information when applied correctly, rather than simply to harm (like in the movies).
Any graduate of SERE (at least ones who graduated when... techniques... were still being used in the curriculum) knows absolutely they work well.
At any rate a big reason we're in this dilemma is that democrats insisted even terrorists be treated either as civilians or as enemy combatants. The Geneva conventions do not apply to terrorists. When we decided that they should, we created our own ethical dilemma. I'm not upset if a guy that murdered 800 of his own people gets slapped around a bit until he gives up a cell still out there hurting people
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1SG Harold Piet
A man or woman that will kill 10 Americans without batting an eye, will not get one bit of sympathy from me regardless of what happens to them in captivity. If a little electrical shock will make them give information that will save one american soldiers life then all I can say is red is positive and black is negative. they do not care how rough and torturous they treat Americans, I feel an eye for an eye. the way to win is to be meaner and tougher than the opponent.
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LTC Martin Metz
You would like the French techniques in Algeria. The trouble was that it got turned back on them.
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Good God do I feel your pain CPT (Join to see). I'm also a Mets fan so...yea that adds to everything.
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