Posted on Aug 22, 2017
Where is the requirement for a TC to be licensed on the vehicle they will ride on?
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Hello collective RallyPoint mind, here's the situation:
AR 385-10 tells us that all operators will be licensed in the equipment/vehicle they will operate.
AR 600-55 tells us the requirements in order to license an operator.
AR 385-10 also tells us that the Senior Occupant (TC, VC, etc) will assist with driving/operating duties.
I have this CO that insists on having unlicensed people as TC.
Ideas?
AR 385-10 tells us that all operators will be licensed in the equipment/vehicle they will operate.
AR 600-55 tells us the requirements in order to license an operator.
AR 385-10 also tells us that the Senior Occupant (TC, VC, etc) will assist with driving/operating duties.
I have this CO that insists on having unlicensed people as TC.
Ideas?
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Responses: 8
Required, no, planning considerations YES.
How else do you relieve the driver if need arises?
How else do you complete the mission if the driver falls ill?
How else can you be a subject matter expert on the operation, capabilities and limitations of the vehicle if not licensed and experienced?
EDIT and on that last point... Go hit up the Ft Rucker safety center and read the hundreds of investigations of Class A accidents where the TC told the driver to do somethings clearly outside the limitations of the vehicle.
How else do you relieve the driver if need arises?
How else do you complete the mission if the driver falls ill?
How else can you be a subject matter expert on the operation, capabilities and limitations of the vehicle if not licensed and experienced?
EDIT and on that last point... Go hit up the Ft Rucker safety center and read the hundreds of investigations of Class A accidents where the TC told the driver to do somethings clearly outside the limitations of the vehicle.
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
RP cuts me short when stating the original question. I recommended the new Master Driver to write a memorandum for record stating that he informed this CO about all the regulations and how the local SOP states that a vehicle will not be dispatched unless both Driver and TC are licensed, etc. and how the CO still maintains that he will allow unlicensed people to be TC. Sort of a "cover your ssa" memo for this young Master Driver.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA - IMHO, this is a local commander issue, not BN or BDE,,
BN or BDE mandating licensed TC takes away the CO commanders ability to consider mission requirements, personnel manning, risk assessment, and their ability to mitigate the risks of only driver licensed and yet still accomplish the mission.
The commander should be informed of the reasons why a licensed TC is a best practice. What are safety concerns and issues that may arise en route that could impact the mission by not having a licensed TC , and then those experienced with vehicle movements supply mitigation options to the commander that allows mission accomplishment.. Letting the commander make the decision.
BN or BDE mandating licensed TC takes away the CO commanders ability to consider mission requirements, personnel manning, risk assessment, and their ability to mitigate the risks of only driver licensed and yet still accomplish the mission.
The commander should be informed of the reasons why a licensed TC is a best practice. What are safety concerns and issues that may arise en route that could impact the mission by not having a licensed TC , and then those experienced with vehicle movements supply mitigation options to the commander that allows mission accomplishment.. Letting the commander make the decision.
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA - Why don't you attack the problem by trying to get the TC's licensed for the vehicles there by solving the problem. The more people who are trained on equipment that the unit needs and or uses the better.
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All local policies. But on the other hand, how can you have someone "supervise" an activity if they don't know anything about said activity. Short moves on the "hard ball"....from the motor pool to the company, are one thing. But going out of the "foot print", I think is a NO GO
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I have never seen any regulatory guidance or Black in white on this. I believe it is just a add to, not take away type of thing. It makes sense to have both a licensed operator and TC to mitigate drivers fatigue. Especially for in experienced drivers were some areas are a little harder to traverse. However, like I said before if the Commander makes it a policy for the Company then it is required.
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are these TC's UMR'ed to these vehicles, or are they just stop gap personell? What I mean is this, is the TC one for a bradley or stryker? or is it something that is "hey, I need you to TC the humvee to drop class I to the boys conducting training" type of thing?
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How do you handle this? Easy. YES, SIR! and go on about what you are supposed to be doing. If something happens it is on the CO
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I have been looking for that too. I just got a policy that III Corps put in place that says that TC'S will be licensed.
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Yeah, it isn't necessarily a requirement that the TC be licensed on the vehicle, but it should be done. There are just certain situation in which it just isn't feesable to have everyone licensed for a vic that they may be needed to TC. I was a scout so of course I was licensed on HMMWVs and M3A3s, but I spent a period of time in a support platoon and was needed to TC vics far outside what my MOS traditionally drives in like PLSs and HEMITTs. I wasn't there for long so it would be wasted to set aside the day to get me licensed on them, but as a responsible party in the vehicle I could still be trusted to perform the duties of a TC when necessary. So yeah, it happens. The system isn't perfect, my friend, but it works.
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