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I have been wondering this ever since my guard unit was told halfway through a 2 year train up on new Bradley's that we might lose them and go light infantry and give our Brads to Active Duty because it would be cheaper. I was thinking at the time wouldn't be better to have a HCBT maintained in the Guard for less that what it would take in Active and keep a viable armored unit?
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SSG Eric Eck
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It would be cheaper to maintain the vehicles at an active duty post than it would be to maintain them in the Guard or Reserve because of the fact that they would actually be used for training, not just sitting there in a tank barn and MAYBE
getting used once a month.
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SGT Patrick McCullough
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I think you may be confusing who it would be cheaper for. States have a budget, so maybe they don't want to allocate a large portion of their guard budgeting to a Bradley unit when federal funds are lacking because the feds gave up the last two wars just recently, but are setting up for a new war...slain that goof idea fairy
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SGT Patrick McCullough
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*good idea fairy....auto correct gotta love it
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MAJ Monique Salinas
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Guard. Active usually gets more money than they can spend and nothing changes about how much they get each year. The Guard gets money as needed and available. Usually, it's the bare minimum to meet the minimum requirements for mission readiness.

I'll stop myself here before I say too much, but the simply explanation is greed.
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Because active personnel are continually rotating (PCS). I would say that there would be more continuity with a Guard/Reserve unit then an active unit. Being Guard/Reserve for the most part train with the same folks continually. Also a lot fewer AGR needed to maintain the equipment. I'm sure there are pros and cons to which side is cheaper to maintain. But it seems like it is always mentioned that the Guard/Reserve are cheaper.
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SGM Billy Herrington
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Since PA has an ABCT, IBCT, and a SBCT it only makes sense to reflag the ABCT since they would be more of a drain on the funding.
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Agreed but with that we loose of 1,400 soldiers(low ball number) and have to pay the tankers to get reclassed
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SGM Billy Herrington
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Lose them? Doubtful. Yeah, they will have to reclass. IIRC, the overall end strength won't decrease, just the type of jobs. Politicians like to paint the worst case scenario of we'll lose 1400 people; when in actuality, those MOS's are lost, not the bodies. They may be water purification, some other support MOS, or reclassed to backfill Infantry slots.
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That's what they are saying with budget that looses the Bradleys
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SGM Billy Herrington
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Nahhhh. You won't lose end strength. What will go away are the technician jobs that support the equipment and maybe some AGR losses.
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LTC Strategic Plans And Training Officer
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The decision is sometimes a negotiation, who will pay for what. Sometimes the AC will sign over the equipment without giving the budget to go with it. The benefit for NG units to stay light if the budget is not increased, is your unit will retain funds for personnel development. In the end people matter more than equipment.
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I get that but my brigade has paid BAE guys to come up from Texas to train us on these new Bradleys. Sometimes Army sense doesn't make sense we are just throwing good money after bad.
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SGT Patrick McCullough
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I agree and with budget cuts states don't want to foot the bill
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SGT Patrick McCullough
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Hahah it's called an action plan you carry it out until the training mission changes. Most XO's at all levels are too lazy to come up with actually contingencies, but they may be held up with funding and may be an exercise in futility. MDMP is very much an exercise in analytics, but is only as valuable as the flow and foresight in the room
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Something to think about: ARNG formations are maintained by both federal and state funding. As a former ARNG tanker I can say from firsthand experience that mechanized formations are extremely cost and maintenance intensive. If I had to guess I would say either your state, federal, or both sources of funding have been cut. I know our school budget has been hit extremely hard this year.

The real question is cheaper for who? A light infantry unit is cheaper for your state without a doubt. The federal government is likely going to spend the money either way. However with the reduced requirements for training and gunnery for the RC, you're probably correct that it's cheaper for the nation as a whole. It would be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison.
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PA guard has one the largest guard presence in the US, we have a Stryker brigade, a light infantry brigade and a HCBT, I always thought that we offer big army a variety of choices and the best bang for the buck. Our governor is not liking it and is trying to fight it
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Just to chime in...the Bloody Bucket is the 2nd largest in the US. It receives a lot more funding than it used to (when I was in during 92-95, we didn't have much). But as it was stated earlier...PA State also gave a lot of funds to the NG. Anyway, with our new Gov in PA, changes are going to be made and I don't think it will pan out well for the military or police.
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ABIC is only over three drill weekends vs maybe 2 weeks for RA?
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1SG(P) (Join to see) I don't really understand your question. mind clarifying?
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I was responding to another response to this question...where the ABIC course (when operated by the National Guard) is over the course of 3 Drill weekends vs going through from regular Army where it is over the course of about 2 weeks.
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It is a bunch of arbitrary metrics. In the big picture , Guard and Reserve Units are cheaper. FORSCOM 500 plans every piece of information that it would cost to be funded by Overseas Contingency Fund. You have once a month and two weeks a year to be in compliant with the planning phase if you are in the reserves. This comes out of the military personnel appropriation budget. Active gets BAH which automatically almost doubles the cost. They are expensive and need to be justified every year which is why we keep reserves. Title 10 statues let you mobilize reserve troops without budgeting for them. It keeps military dominance and saves cost at the same time. Everything is a perishable skill, but combat arms are especially perishable since there is no application in the civilian world. Your federally focused reserve forces are restricted to support functions and National Guard can have combat arms if they want (the state helps pay for those facilities).

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