Posted on May 2, 2015
PO2 Skip Kirkwood
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I am working with some Federal officials (congressmen and senators) on an effort to help military medics and corpsman more easily access civilian EMS credentials. I understand the Army and Navy programs but I don't anything about USAF medical specialties (MOS or NEC?). If somebody with admin knowledge of the USAF medical specialties and programs is willing to assist, please contact me via RP or at [login to see] . Thanks.
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CMSgt Gary Fichman
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I was part of the working group to get NREMT for the services. The Air Force was the leader on this initiative (we added it in technical school and required 100% of folks in the field to get the certification), CMSgt Dave Bayliss (ret now) was at Air Staff and got this done. AF Medical Service Chiefs from all Commands met with the Army and Navy--unfortunately not much interest at that time. The Air Force has a number of civilian certification awarded out of tech school (NREMT, lab, radiology, & maybe more now) plus we paid for other medical specialities to gain certification after gaining a 7 kill level.
We attempted to get states to allow our grads to take state nursing (LVN, RN) boards (like California), but ran into the resistance. Seems that is a money making machine between state nursing boards and nursing schools. I have brought the subject to our legislators here in Wyoming, but got the same response.
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MSgt Joseph Haynes
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I have posed the same question and concerns to other state EMS and DoH groups and was met with silence. Then, those same agencies start public service campaigns about the shortage of EMS providers and Nurses. I reply to their campaigns with "look at your military medics who have lots of experience" etc, etc and I get no replies from the state. It's all a money making agenda for the universities. I'm in nursing school now and none of my instructors or professors care in the least about military medic experience.
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Col Squadron Commander
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Check out this website for the medical education and training campus. I believe it's joint service and you may be able to obtain some more information.

http://www.metc.mil/
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PO2 Skip Kirkwood
PO2 Skip Kirkwood
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Thanks. Need some human input.
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What I meant was you can look at the website and make contacts with them. Top right of the webpage "live chat support" and a phone number below that.
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PO2 Skip Kirkwood
PO2 Skip Kirkwood
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Thanks!
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SSgt Charity Imfeld
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It would be nice if they could change some of the training or continuing education to meet the requirements of the nursing board as well.
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Who can help me better understand current Air Force medical specialties?
Capt Andrew Pratt
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SrA Teleservice Representative
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I emailed you directly PO2 Skip Kirkwood I can go over this with you as both an Air Force Med Tech as well as an EMT
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PO1 Dustin Adams
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Hopefully there is some success with this. Administrative types seem to forget that Paramedics were born out the Corpsman and Medics returning from Vietnam.
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PO2 Skip Kirkwood
PO2 Skip Kirkwood
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It is true - I resemble that remark! Got my first EMT card at my first duty assignment in 1974 - at NRMC Portsmouth (the infamous Boone Clinic).

We have two missions -

First, get the DOD enlisted schools to expand their curriculum a little bit, so that they can award civilian EMT or paramedic credentials to their graduates (right now, except for the PJs, most lack something - geriatrics, pediatrics, etc. The officer medical schools are all civilian accredited, why not the enlisted?

Second, get DOD (or contractors) to provide "bridge courses" to medics and Corpsmen prior to discharge, so they can take a bridge course, get civilian credentials, and be able to move right in to an EMS job.

I know about the Army and Navy programs, but besides the PJs I don't know what USAF medics learn. Do they have the complete EMT curriculum, almost paramedic, or what?

Thanks!
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PO1 Dustin Adams
PO1 Dustin Adams
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I feel the pain. As a retired Independent Duty Corpsman, I was fortunate to find a niche job working for VBA in which I could apply my skills and knowledge. There were/are some opportunities to get certifications in the medical field but it would have been as an EMT- Basic, LVN, or phlebotomist. Not necessarily bad jobs but after being a Health Care Provider in-service and trained to run a medical department independent of a Medical Officer, would have been a huge step backward. Some states do or did offer higher level of certification, like California used to allow IDC's to challenge the RN board but no longer.
Part of the issue is going to be budgetary, we did a pilot program at Camp Pendleton of getting some Corpsmen their Paramedic license but it was determined that the cost and time away from primary duties was not worth it for the command.
Most commands have even closed their EMT schools and send the Corpsman to a civilian course to get their certification and even then it is only to fulfill a requirement for on-base EMS services.
It is a worthy cause but will be a hard fight to convince the bean counters that it is a prudent investment for the services, since for the most part the certification would mostly benefit the service-member.
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PO2 Skip Kirkwood
PO2 Skip Kirkwood
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"it was determined that the cost and time away from primary duties was not worth it for the command."

That is for sure the issue - and an IDC should be eligible for more than a basic EMT credential!

What we are going to try to do is take that discretion away from the local bean-counters and mandate it by statute. Wish us luck!
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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On the desktop site, check out the Air Force Aerospace Medical Services group, with over 1700 members that you can try to connect with:
https://www.rallypoint.com/specialties/4n0x1-aerospace-medical-service/primary

Some of the more active members are MSgt Allan Folsom and SrA (Join to see).
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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I don't know specifics because I am not a 4N series, but I know most bases have EMT programs and EMT refresher courses to keep thier certifications up.
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