Posted on Aug 10, 2014
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Strategically, who do you think the blame falls with? Is it Paul Bremer, GWB, or do you blame some of the senior leaders for screwing OIF up?

Not trying start a debate here, but it's obvious that this war was mishandled and strategically screwed up ... and if you need proof, just look at what ISIS is doing.

Thoughts?
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SP5 John Brandt
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Kill them all, let Allah sort them out!
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Edited 11 y ago
There was no WAR in the true sense of the word. Now stand fast , YES our men and woman - our Nations fighting men. Did engage in Combat , a strange form of controlled combat. Many a Marine & Solider were left hanging as word from some Commander in a far off CIA run control center picked his nose and ass. Until some dead beat connected to a SPY reporting back to Washington decided if the troops could defend the Platoon or not. Many times it depended on the source / drug supply lines / or other protected scumbag operating a 'Black-Market something or other. And that kind of operation was more important to the Powers that Be.
Only one former Marine / Sitting Congressman (Murtha) stated in public that the WAR was criminal. Due to his belief our men were setting the stage for what you see today and the looting of Afgan minerals which has already started. And that particular Congressman is no more. He died after under going a simple medical procedure. How strange.
But there is another former Marine Officer / Navy War College - Professor that also set the stage for the purge that in time will come. His name is Alan Zabroski , the man in the photo with me. Google him , the truth will set you free. I hope before it's to late.
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The Obama administration and their foreign policy. The philosophy and ideology behind the the advice and the decisions made thus far haven't been working. This is no commitment to use the limited force effectively, it's been a token effort to satisfy their base and the media for their support. The sorties flown since the United States re-entered should be tripled per day. Their lack of support for the Kurds who have the only capable troops has been minimal at best and a useless at the worse.
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SFC Charles W. Robinson
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It was a combination of several things:
1. The failure if the Iraqi government to be fair and inclusive.
2. The failure of Obama to properly monitor and follow through (Lost all that we have won).
3. The failure of Obama to act when Syria came apart.

Ignoring the REAL world is not leadership.
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MAJ Phil Bundy
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We invaded on a lie - the intel was faulty and we invaded on a lie.

Once the decision to invade was made all the doctrines we had been taught about how many troops would be needed were tossed out the window.

President Bush made the decision to invade, and the fault lies with him. He was the President.
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CPO Wally Briones
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Paul Brenner screwed up when decided to disband the Iraqi military, Malakii won because Sunis didnt even vote. With the sects all divided they will never achieve piece.The Kurdish who started to built their own government is now the victim of Sunni and Shite conflict. Isis who are mostly Sunnis now want to take it all, thats the reason this bullshit will never end. We should help the Kurdish it seems like they are the only one who wants peace.Watch out Asia, Al qaeda And Sunis are Majority there. check the news in the Phiilippines, 44 special forces ambushed by Muslin rebels.
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SPC Phil L
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Yes genocide is the answer. After the rag heads lets solve that pesky Jewish problem too. Of course Christianity the epitome of brotherhood and tolerance. Not!
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SPC Phil L
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The Military is equally guilty. Nuremberg dispensed with the concept of "I was just following orders ". The American people were guilty for reelecting the bush gang. In other words we are all guilty to a degree. It troubles me to think there are those still out there that believe it was a noble cause. Iraq is about as noble a cause as the Philippine-American war of 1898.
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CPO Wally Briones
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Teddy Roosevelt was experimenting the new navy, he was the undersecretary but he was basically the secretary, Spain declared war on US. he sent Admiral Dewey to blockade Spanish fleet in case they move to South America to help out the fleet Is US basically took all Spanish Trust territories. Filipinos were insecure with the Americans untill they gave their independence. Philippines is actually the biggest ally of,US until now.
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1SG Patrick Sims
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I see where the main stream news media asking why did we lose in Iraq----When we started this war the liberals were screaming we lost the war---the fact is if those type of people were running the government in December 1941 most of us wouldn't be alive and the few million of former Americans would probably be speaking German and Japanese.
ISIS is getting their asses kicked by the Kurds, and I'm sure there will be trouble between the Kurds, who are grabbing up territory and the Bagdad government. The facts are Saddam Husain is dead and his family is out of power, and the terrorists are losing their grip on Iraq
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Who is to blame? As if there can be a single person to point a finger at. There are many to blame, and so I'm not going to point a single finger at a single person, but I will share a list.

- Perhaps we shouldn't have jumped into Iraq, since Al Qaeda was operating in Afghanistan.
- Of course Saddam and his Sunni minority WAS tyrannical, but we make deals with
Tyrants all the time, and in the 1980's Saddam was OUR tyrant against the Iranians, and
lets not forget that it was Saddam who broke the OPEC oil embargo by selling us oil in the
1970's.
- The question here is not who is to blame, but why would we do such a thing without
CLEAR and STATED objectives that include an end game. (Democracy doesn't work
in tribal societies, particularly those that have a potentially volatile religion in play.) A look
a whole host of similar societies proves this to be true.

- It should be clear by now that the Muslims in such areas don't even get along with each
other. When Saddam (Sunni minority) took control he treated the Shias, and the Kurds as
as second class citizens, and when the Kurds rose up against him he DID treat them harshly,
including WMD. (Of course WMD have been used in Syria, though by whom seems to be
unclear, and we haven't done anything about it.) Under Saddam, there WAS a modicum
of ORDER, and even Christians (if they weren't rising up) were tolerated, and even protected.
This proved to NOT be the case under the elected government of Iraq.
- Once "Democracy" was forced in place (I was there on Jan 31, 2004 for one of Iraq's
largest votes) the majority Shias took control, and treated the Sunni's poorly.

- So, replacing the tyranny of a Dictator with the tyranny of the Majority proved to NOT be
a solution, particularly in a religiously divided, tribal society.

- It could be argued that it didn't matter WHEN we left Iraq. The outcome wouldn't have
been much different, only delayed.

- What is TRULY troubling about all this is that even those who rallied against our intervention
in Iraq, have, and continue to follow the same model.
- We supported the ousting of Mubarak in Egypt to be replaced with a Muslim
Brotherhood (terrorist) party with Morsi, only to be overthrown in a Coup d' etat.
Clearly the Military is influencing much of the Egyptian government.
- I could go on about our support for the overthrow of Qaddafi in Libya, and Al Assad,
in Syria, and to a lesser degree, the violent changes of government in Tunisia, Sudan,
and Yemen.

So, in conclusion, I don't see how anybody can point the finger at a single person, or even a single administration so long as successive administrations and Congresses keep supporting the idea that one tyrannical government is somehow better than another, the only difference being the government's propensity to do what we want them to do. Until people, and governments, particularly those of the Western variety, are willing to objectively look at the nature of the threats we face, we will continue to help orchestrate the game of tyrannical musical chairs in these volatile tribal-religious despotic dictatorships and democracies. Remember, the tyranny of the majority is as despotic as the tyranny of the dictator. some may argue more-so because the "majority" leaves no one in particular to point the finger at for it's atrocities.
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