Posted on Jul 20, 2015
Who other than myself feels that a photo ID must be shown when voting?
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http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is-voter-fraud-a-real-problem/voter-fraud-deniers-ignore-the-facts
Voter Fraud is alive and well in Texas....and I bet is in other states too.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/alerts/alerts_view.php?id=128&type=3
Voter Fraud is alive and well in Texas....and I bet is in other states too.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/alerts/alerts_view.php?id=128&type=3
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Solution in search of a problem. For YEARS, a voter registration card or power bill was enough and everyone was fine. Suddenly, the GOP starts losing ground and ID becomes a hot topic from Conservative groups? At some point, you have to grow up and stop blaming the other guy for your inability to sell your message. In-person voter fraud is a non-factor. Spending billions to "fix" a non-existent problem is wasteful and has very questionable motives.
Absentee ballot fraud? Still not a factor, but a much more common occurrence.
Absentee ballot fraud? Still not a factor, but a much more common occurrence.
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MSgt James Mullis
My question is: if their is no appreciable voter fraud then why is the DNC so concerned about requiring proof of citizenship/identity to vote. They even fight bills that would pay the poor to get an ID. In my experience, you need to show an ID to cash a check, purchase medications, paint, and alcohol. You even need a drivers license to drive to the poles. A photo could easily be added to things like EBT cards and Insurance cards. If its not voter fraud, why doesn't the DNC just concede the issue to the right while saying its a big waste of time?
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SGT Jeremiah B.
MSgt James Mullis - They are concerned because it's a blatant attempt to disenfranchise individuals that historically vote Democrat. Also, note that none of the things you listed are Constitutionally affirmed rights.
The question is why does ANYONE suddenly care? It's not like there was a big scandal where large-scale fraud OF ANY KIND was discovered. In-person voter fraud is virtually non-existent. Is it worth spending millions of dollars and risking thousands of working poor and elderly from voting to prevent a small handful of fraudulent votes?
The question is why does ANYONE suddenly care? It's not like there was a big scandal where large-scale fraud OF ANY KIND was discovered. In-person voter fraud is virtually non-existent. Is it worth spending millions of dollars and risking thousands of working poor and elderly from voting to prevent a small handful of fraudulent votes?
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MSgt James Mullis
SGT Jeremiah B. - If the government pays for the voter ID, then how is anyone disenfranchised? If you could legally vote before voter ID's are required, you can legally vote after voter ID's are required! However, you can't vote for or as someone other than who you are (which is a crime). and Yes, it is worth the cost to know and ensure that the American people are represented by the politicians they voted for and not a criminal and/or criminal group who cheated! As for "in-person voter fraud being virtually non-existent", we don't have a way of knowing if that is true. Why you might ask? Because it is virtually impossible to detect without requiring the voter to prove who he is and this can only be done by use of a picture ID or other more intrusive biometric techniques.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
MSgt James Mullis - In person voting usually has controls of some sort. When I voted in person, I reported to my station, gave my voter registration card or power bill and they logged me in as having voted. Anyone coming in before or after me would have triggered an automatic report that two people attempted to vote under the same name.
A FREE ID would help, clearly, but in some states, it definitely wasn't free and there are other expenses. Again, the argument is that it disenfranchises the working poor, who cannot take the time off to get the ID, and the elderly, who either can't get a ride or have health reasons for not being able to sit in the DMV for hours.
Of course all of this is moot because we're moving towards different types of voting. I haven't even voted in person since moving to AZ. I joined the vote-by-mail group and haven't left it. No ID required.
A FREE ID would help, clearly, but in some states, it definitely wasn't free and there are other expenses. Again, the argument is that it disenfranchises the working poor, who cannot take the time off to get the ID, and the elderly, who either can't get a ride or have health reasons for not being able to sit in the DMV for hours.
Of course all of this is moot because we're moving towards different types of voting. I haven't even voted in person since moving to AZ. I joined the vote-by-mail group and haven't left it. No ID required.
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If I have to show one to cash a check, get on an airplane etc then yes it must be shown before voting. Common sense!
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How would you distribute the ID? How would you read it for absentee voters? What about states that only use mail in ballots?
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Sgt Kelli Mays
make a copy of your voters registration card and ID and send it in...I do not know anything about mail in ballots. it's hard to believe there are states that only allow you to vote by mailing in your ballot...whats the sense of even voting....you have no idea who is really sending in the ballet. if this is the case, then how do they get the ballot to mail in...they must have to register for it somehow...so they should have to physically go and show their ID to receive a voters registration card and then send in the card with the ballot...IDK...never had to deal with mail in ballots....and as for the absentee voters...here you have to be registered to vote absentee...so you go down, register for it with a valid photo id and then vote.
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Sgt Ken Prescott
Mail-in ballots are susceptible to interception and destruction, and to the system being gamed. The program should be terimnated.
Absentee voting should only be allowed if you are physically out of the county on Election Day, and the absentee ballot should be notarized, with the notary checking the voter ID. Election Day should be an official holiday. (Indeed, it used to be exactly that; the reason it's on Tuesday was to allow voters to travel to the county seat to cast their ballot.)
Distribute the ID? Easy-peasy. You go down to the county registrar's office and register. Voter ID should be free.
Absentee voting should only be allowed if you are physically out of the county on Election Day, and the absentee ballot should be notarized, with the notary checking the voter ID. Election Day should be an official holiday. (Indeed, it used to be exactly that; the reason it's on Tuesday was to allow voters to travel to the county seat to cast their ballot.)
Distribute the ID? Easy-peasy. You go down to the county registrar's office and register. Voter ID should be free.
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Some states only do mail in ballets and it has increased the percentage of the population who vote. Why do you want to tell other states on how they should conduct their voting policies?
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Sgt Kelli Mays
In Texas it is required. The obama administration actually fought against this policy and tried to get the states who require photo ID to do away with it....only one reason they would want to do that. HA!
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You need an ID to buy things that make you happy like alcohol, tobacco, to drive, even get into many clubs and more importantly, defending this nation. But when it comes to needing an ID to elect one individual to be the face of our nation, and have the power to send us to battle in defense of our nations interests, everyone wants to scream about some minor detail or jump on the freedom wagon. I agree that you should be required to have a state issued ID card at the states expense to vote. States, even the fed waste money. Of course what they waste money on is for another day, but to everyone, they do in some way. With the influx of people coming into our country in a way that is also another debate, the great citizens of this country should be awarded their chance in a fair and untainted election. Every system has its flaws and this may not be the perfect answer. I feel it would be a step in the right direction.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
Agreed. I think this none sense of "oh, people can't afford to pay for an ID" or "people do not have the transportation to get to the DMV to get an ID" is malarkey. I feel if you are a citizen and you want to vote, then get your butt up and get to the DMV, spend $5 and get your ID.
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Me. Try to go to the doctor without one, or any number of other things we do every day that require proof of who you are.
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Seems like California has the right idea...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-id-homeless-people_55ae9054e4b07af29d568b34?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-id-homeless-people_55ae9054e4b07af29d568b34?
New California Law Gives Free IDs To Homeless People So They Can Access Housing, School
The thing that often stands in the way of a homeless person and housing is just a state-issued identification. But a new law in California is making sure that its residents are no longer stranded on the
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Showing a photo ID is no longer enough. Now that illegal aliens are able to legally obtain a driver's license in 10 states the only option left is a national voter registration id for which one must provide proof of citizenship. Of course that still doesn't prevent people from voting in different locations which seems to be the most common form of in-person voter fraud.
The real problem is in the absentee and mail in ballot system. That's much harder to track and verify.
The real problem is in the absentee and mail in ballot system. That's much harder to track and verify.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
Agreed. There should not be Mail in Ballots. If people want to vote, get up and got vote...and absentee should only be allowed for those who work in another country or military overseas or deployed.
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