Posted on Jan 18, 2020
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If you are an NCO, and your NCO induction stated you are to be honest with your soldiers and not leave them uniformed, why are y’all getting upset when truthful answers come off as brash or not “NCO-like”?

As an NCO, we are not in the business of creating friendships but in the business of leading soldiers. If you are honest to the soldier of the potential outcome, they are far more likely to trust you down the road. If you lie to them or are not honest with them, then you are negatively effecting mission readiness and you now have a soldier that may not listen to you.

So what do you do? Are you honest with them so that they know, which may result in them getting upset at first, or do you sugar coat the outcome to not upset them at first?
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I mean, that’s pretty vague...

I try as much as possible to give them every possible outcome according to my knowledge then follow up with any questions. Depending on the situation (and to an extent the soldier) I may offer my view on what outcome is most likely
SFC Incheon Airport Jppc Ncoic
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There’s a difference between being honest and being judgemental. It is not your place to tell a Soldier she shouldn’t have gotten pregnant simply because she asked if she would be allowed to live off base or would she have to live in the barracks.

If you’re going to ask a question, make sure you give the complete story versus telling the story to get people to validate your response in which they know nothing about.
Soldiers come on here for professional guidance and junior soldiers come on here to ask questions on things they simply just don’t know. Having tact and respecting someone’s decision to start their family has nothing to do with building friendships, it’s about respecting their choice. So be careful how you deliver your response when you answer Soldiers questions.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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This thread makes me remember how fortunate I was as a junior officer to have amazing NCOs in my platoon and battery. Some of the best NCOs in the Army. They were worth more than their weight in gold.
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Why are NCO’s okay with sugarcoating the outcomes of certain situation regarding junior soldiers?
SFC Kenneth Hunnell
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Sugar coating, that is a unique word. You get more honey than vinegar. By that I mean you don't have to be a hard ass to rectify a problem. To fix the problem, get with the individual and allow them to be part of the problem solving solution.
You will in most cases get better results
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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Your descriimptuin is unclear. If I read it correctly, NCOs should keep their Soldiers informed. It is the delivery of the message. Orders cannot be unlawful, if they are lawful and you don’t like it, it is not the NCO’s place to complain or speak ill of those issuing the order. It is the place of the NCO to follow the order and issue it in a way that reflects and contributes to good order and discipline. When an NCO articulates their negative feelings about a lawful order, they are then in violation by have a negative impact of on good order and discipline.

If the order is unlawful it is simple, the NCO takes that order and evidence of it being unlawful, and presents it to other leaders, not Junior Soldiers and confronts the leader who has issued such an order. If the leader fails to recognize the error in their judgement, it goes to the next level.

Never, in any way does an NCO articulations negative feelings to Sokdiers regarding lawful orders. When you portray a stupid, yet lawful order in a negative manner you again, are in violation yourself. Read and thoroughly evaluate the creed you reference, balance those valuable, insightful components with the UCMJ, and the oath taken when you enlist, or re-enlist. Follow the orders of those appointed over you.
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As a first line supervisor, all the way up the chain, being honest and upfront with an individual soldier on any issue is very important, regardless of how they may react. Sugarcoating anything is difficult, but if it seems harder to break news to someone, you must mind your tact and understand that soldier and know what will break through to them for them to best understand what you are trying to convey without totally breaking someone down. The ability to break hard news, but still motivate a soldier is a skill, and a skill worth learning and mastering, just as any soldier's ability to be tactful in the way they convey information to a superior.
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SPC Richard Zacke
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You can't go wrong being honest with your NCO or vice verse. If an NCO loses the trust of his troops missions will suffer, lifes could be lost. So if you think your NCO is being rude or brash in giving orders take it like a trooper because 9 times out of 10 they are just attempting to get the orders understood. And if you notice the platoon screw-up not paying attention straiten him out after formation and if he blows you off report it to your NCO before the mission,it just may save your life.
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SGM Billy Herrington
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From what I’ve been told, I’m loved (mostly) by those I lead for my candor and honesty.

Those above me, for the most part, don’t like it and it shows. I’ve never kissed ass and I’ll be damned if I start now.

Not here to make friends. That goes both ways.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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It really says something about leadership that do not have thick skin and do not desire rough chargers. I work in critical care and if my nurses don't have the balls to tell me how they feel, I worry if they have it for critical care patients. They know I will listen and if they cross a boundary, I rip them a new one, and we go back to quality patient care. Probably much the same in the infantry, if you dont have the balls to tell it to your commander, you probably dont have the balls to take it to the enemy.
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SPC Richard Zacke
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I love your answer I was a 62echo and I mainly operated a D-7 dozer. My tractor trailor operator and I could not wait weeks for new tires on the tractor or trailor we even fixed nearly everything on my cat D-7 including a new engine because we could not wait to have it sent out. We missed many mourning and evening formations because we were up to our shoulders in grease. Our senoir NCO covered for us so we could get mission ready he even commendered a wreacker so we could lift out the engine and install the new one that he requisitioned thru our company commader. The work we did was not motorpool work so he gave us cover from being seen. I grew up on a auto salvage yard so the work came easy. We did'nt have a cage for changing the tires on the 10 ton so we filled the air with the snap ring facing down and only one blew off in the dirt. My point is senior NCO's were invaluble to us back in 1978-79!!
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SGM Billy Herrington
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MAJ Byron Oyler - it speaks volumes.
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You literally made another post in regards to my reply when you told a PFC that she shouldn’t have gotten pregnant and that you recommend that she should start a chapter 8 when that has nothing to do with her question. Lmao. If you believe that’s the correct way to handle things as an NCO, I’m not sure what there is left to say other that you need to re-evaluate your leadership capabilities. I know many single mothers in the Army that are doing fantastic things and it’s good they don’t listen to an NCO that shames them for getting pregnant and suggests to start a chapter packet.
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This was a general question, not a reply to your reply. You’re free to your opinion.
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What a coinkidink.
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Shoot me a message and we can handle this off lineSGT(P) (Join to see)
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SGT Robert Wager
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There is a difference between being honest and being an asshole. Leadership has been defined as the art of influencing others to accomplish the mission. NCOs can inspire others in a lot of different ways. Is it your job to make other people miserable? The NCO makes or breaks a soldier’s career. The NCO decides whether a soldier truly enjoys his job or hates showing up for formation every day.

Should you polish the turds for soldiers? Nope, but you should inspire your soldiers to enjoy the trip when they are going to hell.
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