Posted on Apr 21, 2016
Why are our chances of retaking Mosul get better now?
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- The Kurds agreed to fight
- B-52 area bombings are occurring
- Apaches are being brought in
- Special Ops will aid Iraqi leaders
- B-52 area bombings are occurring
- Apaches are being brought in
- Special Ops will aid Iraqi leaders
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Most likely because the odds for success are still just SWAGs, CPT Joseph K Murdock. Besides, when using troops who are green, easily demoralized, and have a reputation for folding up like a lawn chair, any open prediction of likely failure (or even a "hard fight") can become self-fulfilling with one ill-timed reversal.
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1LT William Clardy
Unlike a lot of folks, I'm not saying that the locals can't do the job, CPT Joseph K Murdock. I'm just saying that the self-confidence of the Iraqi Army is still very shaky, and it wouldn't take much to start an epidemic of "bug-out" fever -- especially against an enemy with a deserved reputation for ruthlessness as well as a penchant for effective propaganda.
Check out how poorly a unit of the Kenyan Army fared recently against al Shabaab:
https://www.funker530.com/brutal-al-shabaab-raid-wipes-entire-kenyan-army-unit/
(NOTE: The English subtitling, if accurate, says something about what our timeline for success or failure will really be)
Check out how poorly a unit of the Kenyan Army fared recently against al Shabaab:
https://www.funker530.com/brutal-al-shabaab-raid-wipes-entire-kenyan-army-unit/
(NOTE: The English subtitling, if accurate, says something about what our timeline for success or failure will really be)
Brutal Al Shabaab Raid Wipes Out Entire Kenyan Army Unit
An absolutely brutal raid carried out in El Adde, Somalia, against an unsuspecting Kenyan Army unit by Somalia's al Qaeda affiliate, al Shabaab, is the...
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CPT Joseph K Murdock
They were shaky at Ramadi and won. They are shaky now and officers and generals have been fired. This time they will know the SF will do much of the coordination of actions, the Kurds will be fighting with them, and US air power will be prevalent. I myself think the Kurds are much more dangerous than ISIS.
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CPT Joseph K Murdock - To paraphrase an old cliché: "Throw enough s*** on the wall, something will stick." Re-taking Mosul is one thing. Maintaining it is another. We have to have two things in order to achieve success here: 1.) Support of the indigenous people; and 2.) a clearly defined political end-state. I am doubtful of either.
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CPT Joseph K Murdock
The Sunni militias want a piece of them but Iraqi government think they will go too far. This for Mosul, not the imperialistic goals for the whole of Iraq.
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My question is will ISIS duke it out or run like they did in Ramadi? That's when the Apaches step in.
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When you say "WE" you must have a Kurd in her pocket. This isn't our fight. We will be aiding them but we won't be taking back Mosul. The Iraqis will and I don't think they will be able too.
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CPT Joseph K Murdock
The Iraqis took Ramadi. The Kurds say they will fight along the Iraqis. They need our expertise on leadership and coordination.
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CPT Joseph K Murdock - To be honest the Iraqi took a huge hit there and then ISIS pulled out and let them take the city. Mosul is something a whole lot bigger. It is going to take a whole lot more. Plus, ISIS won't give it up like they did Ramadi. They know if they do they will be viewed as losing. I am not saying that the Iraqis can't win there but I don't think they have in themselves.
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CPT Joseph K Murdock
Kurdish Brigades will be fighting with them. We will envelope them from the Kurdish N, Iraqi S, and Syrian W and let there be attrition. It is yet to be seen if they fight to the last man because it would mean the end of a peer sized army insurgency force. The B-52s are dropping munitions on area and precision targets like motor pools, munitions and cash holding facilities as we speak.
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