Posted on Jun 18, 2015
SPC(P) AnnMarie Gonzales
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Atheists in the military, many of us are in the closet about it.
Why is this?
My reasoning is because I would never want to tell someone what they should and should not believe (that's impossible). However, I think it's ridiculous that I have to participate in bowing my head in "group prayer" at award ceremonies and graduations.
I have never attacked anyone based on their beliefs.
Some how it's okay for theists to share their views on religion, but I'm not allowed mine? Why is my opinion considered a threat?
I think freedom from religion should be more widely accepted in our military.
Thoughts?
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SGM Operations Ncoic
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I'm pretty sure you are not required to bow your head. Get out of the closet and be strong enough to stand on your convictions.
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CW3 Stephen Mills
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That is pretty funny, I guess I am just a stronger person than you. Nobody forces me to pray to anything whether I believe in them or not. I'm not in the closet and I think I have been pretty clear about my convictions. Maybe you should spend a few more seconds in the closet and find your big boy underwear and stop complaining about other people practicing their religion just because they happen to do it in your presence.
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
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Then change the first amendment. I feel for you. Maybe you should not attend these events.
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SGT John Rauch
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I believe bowing your head during prayer in the modern military is more out of respect to tradition than anything else. also by refusing to bow, individualism is show, and uniformity is broken. most prayers in todays military are not directed to any one religion either, most chaplains pray as if they are confused and dont even know why, or to whom they are praying.
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SGT John Rauch
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and to add to my opinion, most, NOT ALL but most of the "atheists" I have met are simply atheists, because they are looking for attention, or an argument. when asked why they are atheists, they have no real solid answer, they repeat the same, "science explains that religion cant be true" agenda, (honestly science seems to be their religion) and have no real responses to anything pertaining to religion. they know nothing of the religion(s) they oppose. in order to be against something, you should probably know why you are against it. I have gotten along with and am friends with many agnostic/ atheists. I dont have to press my beliefs on them, they know where I stand and why I take the stand that I do, and are fine with that.
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SPC David Hannaman
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Looking at this again, I had a bit of an epiphany:

Most religions include some form of the "Golden rule" in their doctrine. "Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you."

So from that perspective, I suppose we people of faith have to ask ourselves "If a different religion were to instruct us all to bow our heads in prayer to *their* god, would I be offended?

I suppose the only people here with a leg to stand on IS the atheists... no doctrine to tell them otherwise, but also no god to pray to.

...Food for thought...
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PO2 Corey Ferretti
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I can say that you should never have to stay in the closet about being a Atheist. As a Christian I have friends that are Atheist we agree to disagree on some matters and have a conversation on others. I think why Atheist get a bad wrap is because people put Atheist and bad things together. I met Atheist that lived a cleaner and purer life then Christians.
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MSgt Manuel Diaz
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Well I think that while religious people pray, atheists should start break dancing until prayer is over, and when atheists start break dancing the religious can pray... seems fair
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SGT Kimball Bowers
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I honestly haven't seen it. I have so many friends that are atheists and they are very open about it. You talk about all kinds of things to talk about while pulling security for hours on end.
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LTC Tom Hartley
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I would think you are welcome to share your opinions on your personal belief or disbelief, although they will likely not be welcome from those who do believe. As for bowing your head during group prayer, you should consider it being respectful of others beliefs and it isn't really a measure of your participation or beliefs. I suspect much like the respect you Erik be down when sharing your perspective on religion.
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MSgt Lowell Skelton
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How is it respectful to expect others to bow to your beliefs? If you pray on your own time, no one is butting heads over it.
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LCDR Sales & Proposals Manager Gas Turbine Products
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SPC Gonzales-Of the many discussions on this topic I've seen, yours is the first to approach it from this angle, and I have to admit that it certainly got my attention. I'll be up-front; I'm a Christian, and owing to our rapidly evolving society, I'm forced to add "Evangelical" to that...though I myself am not entirely sure what that is supposed to mean. I have close friends and peers who are atheists or agnostics, and I often hear their concerns. Answers are never simple or short.

I would ask that you consider this; religion is subjective-there's an "individual" and "community" aspect to it, and they don't often coincide. For this reason, there are some groups which attach religious views to extreme acts that often contravene the teachings of the very faiths they claim. However, there has been, is now, and always will be divergence between what 'faith' teaches...and society adopts.

I think most people of faith, and in the interest of brevity and accuracy, I'll focus on Christians, feel no direct "threat" from atheists or agnostics...Allowing for varying levels of maturity and social interaction. Obviously, if someone is using the words, "ignorant" or "backward" to describe one's most cherished personal convictions, it could be seen as aggressive.

The apparent resistance to other views, in particular, atheism, stems more from "indirect" consequences of society becoming less comfortable with core Christian principles and beliefs. Issues such as LGBT rights, abortion, education and sexuality all hinge upon a conflict between the secular and spiritual, and many people of faith are fearful these issues will eventually lead to legal means of enforcing "tolerance".

To (again, focusing on Christians) the believer, these issues are defined by divine instruction laid down in millennia-old doctrines accepted to be nothing short of the "Word of God"...it is impossible to redact, edit or reject them without foregoing to entire basis of those beliefs, which again, for a believer, bears eternal consequences. In short, some competing ideologies, atheism among them , truly seem to be driving for not only equal rights...but tacit approval.

Many of my atheist friends claim this is the LAST thing they want...and I'm inclined to believe them. However, when I ask the difficult questions such as, "Do you mind if I teach my child creationism?" or "Can I openly view LGBT lifestyles as immoral?"...they suddenly become reticent. I think there are subjects that belong within the heart, and some subjects that require compromise. Perhaps that compromise is as simple as understanding that a simple moment of prayer means a great deal to someone of faith...as does the non-believer's willingness to allow it.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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If your in the closet about being an atheist then maybe your just not secure in your choice. Its a lot different between atheists and homosexuals, before homosexuals had no choice but to be in the closet.
If you firmly believe in your religion or non-religion then you have no reason to hide it. And you also have no right to force your views, again religious or non-religious on anyone.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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1stLT Nick S, yes you are correct and I did forget about them. Thanks for the gentle reminder.
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PVT Infantryman
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Theres no reason to hide it but there isnt much reason to tell everyone youre an athiest.
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Are you sure they are all atheists and not Agnostics? Atheists tend to be organized and seek each other out where agnostics don't. I do not believe in any religion, but I cannot call myself atheist, nor agnostic. I simply do not care, and would rather spend my Sunday my way. So many of these people who are not religious, who you think are atheists may just be like me, and want to leave everybody to it and be left the hell alone. Show them that you respect their right to practice as long as they respect your right not to.
This is what I do, and nobody tries to convert me when I'm polite about my declination.
You want to get "GOD" and prayer removed? If it means nothing to you, why does meaningless stuff offend you?
Perhaps I'm not atheist because they organize, once people organize I see danger.
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fair enough, but I am 100% sure I don't care about the presence or absence of the word "God"
Live, and let live.
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