Posted on Feb 3, 2014
Why are so many complaining about installation dress code regulations?
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Because it takes additional time and effort away from the actual mission. Why does every base commander feel the need to make his own additions to the uniform regulation that already exists?
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Lt Col (Join to see)
I may have misunderstood the first post. In which case, I think it's because people want to feel like they still have some kind of freedom instead of being "owned" by the military 24/7. That said, I support some of the standards (don't sag your pants to your knees in the BX/PX, for example), but as with so many things in the military someone will eventually take it too far.
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I think we've simply moved away from the "Soldier 24/7" mindset. There is a general sentiment of "when COB hits and I take off the monkey suit; I want to wear what I like."
This isn't anything new as that is a common civilian approach to the matter. The problem is that we stopped enforcing the indoctrination on this subject. "Enlisted" on FOX is a pretty sad example of the image we present nowadays.
I'd understand if a Private and the Private's 19 year old spouse complained about not getting to dress like they did back home. What gets me is that you have a fair number of mid-career to senior Soldiers and their spouses raising hell about "the Army/CG trying to run my life." That is an expected requirement that comes with the privilege of using the military reservation for anything other than official duties.
This isn't anything new as that is a common civilian approach to the matter. The problem is that we stopped enforcing the indoctrination on this subject. "Enlisted" on FOX is a pretty sad example of the image we present nowadays.
I'd understand if a Private and the Private's 19 year old spouse complained about not getting to dress like they did back home. What gets me is that you have a fair number of mid-career to senior Soldiers and their spouses raising hell about "the Army/CG trying to run my life." That is an expected requirement that comes with the privilege of using the military reservation for anything other than official duties.
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MAJ (Join to see)
The US Army is a professional organization in which norms and values have been established. If the attitude is, I'll wear what I want after taking off the "monkey suit", then maybe the profession of arms isn't your cup of tea. I for one am sick of seeing spouses, girlfriends and dependent daughters on an installation entering a public building (PX, Comm, etc) wearing shorts that are four sizes two small, in pajama bottoms, or whatever. And lets not forget the Soldier's who can't seem to go anywhere with out wearing their tan uniform t-shirt. This show of public ignorance should be an embarrassment to the service member. And you know what? You don’t need an Army Regulation or post policy letter to make anyone aware what professional or decent looks like. Just a little common sense, that’s all. I will say this; the US Marine Corps has been doing this one right. They are fiercely aggressive with their on post clothing policies. There is no argument to this. None. So, if you (anyone reading this) falls into the category of that Soldier who wears what the heck he likes on post and doesn’t give a crap about his personal appearance, or how ridiculous his or her family members look while out, rethink why you serve and what the uniform and the profession means to you.
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The fault with many of posts is that there standards are not made clear to everybody, how can you know the standard if it is not clearly posted and made clear to all Sm's
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1SG Shane Hansen
PFC Kearns,
I am in agreeance with you here. I have spent countless hours searching the post's sharepoint portal trying to find the post policies and standards so as to better inform my Soldiers. Back in the day they used to be plastered all over post for everyone to see at the entrance to almost every building. It would be a lot easier if they went back to that or at least disseminated the standard better.
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MAJ (Join to see)
One has to have a policy in hand to realize that wearing pajama's to the PX is, well, rediculous and an embarrasment? Common sense is a rare attribute nowadays.
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From talking with others since this topic was made known in the Army Times, it seems to me that a lot of people are upset because they don't understand the dress code that some posts are enforcing. These codes are not installation wide (to my knowledge) and rather are for specific places on the installation. In my personal opinion, the codes aren't anything over the top but they really just call for common decency. I've also noticed that the larger majority of people who are not pleased with this are the dependents. I think this is ridiculous overall because while yes, they are civilians, you are a direct representation of your service member. Take the time to put some clothes on when going to the store instead of wearing your pajamas.
In the end, if there is something that people can complain about more often than not they will.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
You can say they are a reflection of their service member. My retort is that they are civilians and not subject to any part of the chain of command that the service member is.
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Times are changing. There used to be a time when only issued gear was authorized at any time. Where is the line? That is a question I do not have an answer to. When what is acceptable within our National Culture conflicts with our military culture then we get this complaining. When I was active and my subordinates had these questions or even if I had these questions I said one thing. "You are professional, regardless of personal feelings, you are to adhere to current standards. If you have thought of a solution to what you percieve as a problem use your professionalism to address that problem and institute your solution, if you should find failure be content for you are one step closer to success."
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