Posted on Jan 19, 2014
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As an instructor at an NCOA I am constantly faced with soldiers and NCO's that apparently are not being held to the standard. Things like arms not at least parallel to the ground during the APFT, or ACU tops that don't come down past the bottom of the pocket opening. Hair cuts, nail length, make up, etc.... What are NCOs afraid of? 
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I have a few responses:

1. They were not held to that standard or worse yet they do not hold themselves to that standard and often fail that standard (ie: ht/wt, regulation boots, etc.).

2. They do not read and therefore do not know the regulations.

3. They have no backing from higher to enforce the standard and are sometimes cut at the knees when higher allows the Soldiers to not perform to standard, higher does not support them when they try to enforce (ie: they do not take rank away or article 15, etc. for failure to obey order etc.).

4. Nobody else is doing it so why should I?

5. How can I enforce it if the 1SG or CSM or ..... does not meet the standards. How many leaders do you know that do not meet ht/wt or pass an APFT? We have all had a bad day or a bad tape/height where we were shorted an inch or something of the sort. However, there are leaders who never passed in years and yet are allowed to be in leadership roles. It is hard to enforce ht/wt when your 1SG or CSM is 100 lbs overweight. Try explaining that to Joe.
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Oh and I forgot...

6. It is not my Soldier, not my job.
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SSG Aircraft Mechanic
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I think that in some cases it's a matter of people being accustom to a more lax environment overseas where standards aren't quite so strictly enforced. In other cases I think it has to do with being afraid of hurting someone's poor little feels and getting slapped by the mighty hand of EO.

Also, I've seen a number of cases where a lower enlisted screws up and gets verbally corrected and then said lower enlisted goes and cries to the 1SG or CO and the correcting NCO gets his/her butt handed to them and the lower enlisted in the wrong walks free and clear.
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SFC Christopher Walker, MAOM, DSL
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It's plain and simple. Some NCOs are afraid of being NCOs. They want the pay but not the additional responsibility. NCOs set and enforce standards. PERIOD! Every on-the-spot correction should be made and standards should be enforced without question.
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
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That there is a he difference as stated!
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SGT(P) Kenneth Jones
SGT(P) Kenneth Jones
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thats why when they hit SPC soldiers should start the seperation process to become leaders and realize that a frienship vs career which is going to go further in search for rank if they think friendships will get them ahead then they need to look around and see where their friends are sitting in their career. I have alot that are SPC that have been just that for a long time and choose not to go further and the same with SGTs but off duty vs on duty two diff things. On duty SPC need to learn such as SGTs do to play no favorites and look at those around as compition for the next rank and so on. Many get complaciant and sit there this is the wrong answer. Thats where alot of NCOs drop the ball so maybe once they get to E5 they should be moved around as to not become stuck in their ways with soldiers they ranked up with.
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SSG Jason Greene
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I just think soldiers just get out of hand. By no means am  I perfect, but I make corrections when needed.  Im a SSG currently deployed, and I can't tell you how many times I go to make a correction to one of these jokers with his hands in his pockets, and he's talking to another SSG, and SFC who all have their hands in their pockets looking crazy. This is just one example of many, but I just think we need to get back to basics on this. If you wanna look like a douche, go join the Air Force.
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SSgt George Brown
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They have not been properly trained.  
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I normally make corrections when I spot a soldier not meeting the standard, but sometimes I feel like its a losing battle.

 

Example: I correct a soldier for having his hands in his pockets. The soldier gives me attitude and I feel some PT is in order. Then his squad leader walks by wondering what is going on (as he should). The squad leader tells his soldier to move out and tells me that he will handle it. Later that day, I see the same soldier with his hands in his pockets.

 

At that point, there is nothing I can say to that soldier because his squad leader took that respect/authority away from me.

 

What happened to NCOs sticking together and, if they have a problem with what another NCO is doing, pulling them to the side at a later time?

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SGT John Rice
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As far as I can see it, most of the problems holding NCOs to standards could be traced back to one person. That is the CO of the unit. I was stationed in a MP unit, that certain NCOs and/or enlisted were the CO's favorites, and to do anything to those people was professional suicide even for the First Sergeant. I had a E4 that was extremely disobedient, and disrespectful but since he was one of the CO's favorites, he was untouchable. The CO wanted to rewrite the E4's performance Eval because it was unfavorable. I respectfully refused. I seriously doubt that the eval ever left the CO's office though. 
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CPL James Martin
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Sgt Rice, I agree with you 100%. It's two fold though. I had a CO that would not listen to the soldiers and would only listen to the NCO's. as a PFC I had a squad leader that was an E-5. One day he came to work pissed at the world for some unknown reason. He came and started ripping into me for no reason what so ever and getting in my face asking me to hit him. He shoved me several times as I would try to walk away and get help. Finally I shoved him back and told him to leave me alone and he wasn't worth my time. He punched me in the face 2 times. I took the hits and walked away and reported him to my 1st sgt. I got the article 15 for insubordination because I told my NCO he wasn't worth my time. My CO refused to listen to me at all and told me if I wanted to challenge the Article 15 I could be court martialed.
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CPT Mike M.
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At risk of getting up on a political soap box, I'd have to chalk it up to Hollywood and politics and liberal agendas making us so much more of a peaceful, politically correct, non-confrontational country that people are afraid of that confrontation that happens when one person has to call another out on something wrong.
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SFC Group Automations Nco
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This sensitivity is killing me... I have worked with many females and I appreciate what they do however, there are a few that abuse the system and make others look bad... I don't like the fact that I can easily be placed in the sexist category for simply discussing some females...
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SFC Group Automations Nco
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This sensitivity is killing me... I have worked with many females and I appreciate what they do however, there are a few that abuse the system and make others look bad... I don't like the fact that I can easily be placed in the sexist category for simply discussing some females...
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Why does it feel like the civilians pushing for all of this PC and sensitivity are the ones pitting service members against service members? 
After reading these discussions and comments, I really feel like MOST of us generally agree on how the military should run. Of course, MOST of us on RP are below the rank of General so no one listens to us. 





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I understand that standards have to be met but I want to believe that we all have a job to do while at work and I think nco's focus on job training and job standards more than if my nails are a little to long that day. Does it really matter! I think they need to revamp some of these ridiculous standards anyway
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SSG(P) Systems Evaluator
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In my opinion,many NCOs would rather seem like the "cool" or "laid back" sergeant, rather than the hardcore "super hooah" type. In the end when we NCOs fail to uphold the standards and enforce discipline we are not only hurting ourselves, but our soldiers as future leaders, and really the army as a whole.
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SSG Network Switching Systems Operator/Maintainer
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My take on the whole thing has or only been stated in here however I will re-state it if that is the case, when we got away from shining boots and pressing uniforms on a daily basis,
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