Posted on Jun 10, 2015
Why are the Marines delaying equality in fitness standards?
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I am not sure how many of us are taking this. There are more equality issues going on besides the US Army's Ranger School. So far the Marines have been striving to lead the other Armed Forces in this. We know how their Infantry Officer School program went. But I am not just focusing infantry. Not everyone is infantry.
Currently have service members in gender neutral MOS's. The Marines have tried to implement a Marine Corps wide fitness even that would be for males and females. All Marines would have to do 3 pull ups. The found "At the time, officials said that 55 percent of women had been unable to complete the minimum standard of three pullups to pass the PFT."
With was to start in 2013 but has been delayed twice now. According to a new message released by Marine Corps Headquarters, women will continue to be able to choose between pullups and the flexed-arm hang until the end of 2015. With the two year delay of this do you think it is reasonable? Was a year of preparing for this not long enough?
Now lets look at the implications of this. If you fail your Fitness test you would be facing some pretty adverse actions. If it is anything like the Army you could be facing anything from failing to promote, bar from reenlistment, all the way up to a early discharge.
Shouldn't an equal standard be applied? Do you think an anticipation of failure is delaying this? Is this political driven or equality driving this?
Should they keep to their guns and start this standard this year?
http://www.quanticosentryonline.com/news/article_80152628-0e6e-11e4-8fc3-001a4bcf6878.html
Currently have service members in gender neutral MOS's. The Marines have tried to implement a Marine Corps wide fitness even that would be for males and females. All Marines would have to do 3 pull ups. The found "At the time, officials said that 55 percent of women had been unable to complete the minimum standard of three pullups to pass the PFT."
With was to start in 2013 but has been delayed twice now. According to a new message released by Marine Corps Headquarters, women will continue to be able to choose between pullups and the flexed-arm hang until the end of 2015. With the two year delay of this do you think it is reasonable? Was a year of preparing for this not long enough?
Now lets look at the implications of this. If you fail your Fitness test you would be facing some pretty adverse actions. If it is anything like the Army you could be facing anything from failing to promote, bar from reenlistment, all the way up to a early discharge.
Shouldn't an equal standard be applied? Do you think an anticipation of failure is delaying this? Is this political driven or equality driving this?
Should they keep to their guns and start this standard this year?
http://www.quanticosentryonline.com/news/article_80152628-0e6e-11e4-8fc3-001a4bcf6878.html
US Marine Corps (USMC)
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Equality
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Minimum pullups was 4 when I got out, and if you can only do 4 pullups, you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Looks like they lowered the standards for women. 55% can't even do 3 pullups.
I've been saying they were going to lower standards and dang if it isn't happening. They pretend to level the field to try to turn women into combat soldiers, but they can't do it because women simply aren't men -- no matter how much they think they are. Nature made men and women different -- FOR A REASON!
We should accept that we are different and figure out how to best use our strengths to accomplish the mission. Women are better multitaskers and do well in office environments. They do well in Supply and most maintenance jobs. Most women can solder better than men because they have the patience to work on small things that require dexterity and attention to detail. Putting women in these kinds of jobs frees up males to do the heavy lifting. You are not better off throwing a 200lb Marine in the office and sending the 110lb female to a mortar platoon and making her hump the base plate, along with the rest of her equipment, up and down hills.
No matter how you try to spin it, it's a waste of taxpayer dollars trying to turn the military into a social experiment. You can either have the world's most elite and finest fighting force, or you can have women in combat. You can't have it both ways.
I've been saying they were going to lower standards and dang if it isn't happening. They pretend to level the field to try to turn women into combat soldiers, but they can't do it because women simply aren't men -- no matter how much they think they are. Nature made men and women different -- FOR A REASON!
We should accept that we are different and figure out how to best use our strengths to accomplish the mission. Women are better multitaskers and do well in office environments. They do well in Supply and most maintenance jobs. Most women can solder better than men because they have the patience to work on small things that require dexterity and attention to detail. Putting women in these kinds of jobs frees up males to do the heavy lifting. You are not better off throwing a 200lb Marine in the office and sending the 110lb female to a mortar platoon and making her hump the base plate, along with the rest of her equipment, up and down hills.
No matter how you try to spin it, it's a waste of taxpayer dollars trying to turn the military into a social experiment. You can either have the world's most elite and finest fighting force, or you can have women in combat. You can't have it both ways.
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