Posted on Mar 4, 2019
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Been finding a recent string of self identified transgender veterans on mainstream social media who've uploaded personal opinions about the SCOTUS decision to stay the current or "future" policy decision to ban and seperate transgender personnel from service and continued service, and are in support of banning trans Americans from service.

Hopefully I can get an actual conversation going on, but for some reason when I said how I was in Bagram, AFG (at the time of posting, I've just recently redeployed home) and would love a further explanation they've all be silent. I love to hear negative beliefs and opinions about why a whole population should be removed and banned from service beyond "they're icky and weird and confused". When I get to hear facts on why women, HIV+, and even Non-American citizens shouldn't be authorized to serve; I get facts and discussions. For the trans argument it's just "gross, icky and confused".

Any thoughts on the matter?
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There are many issues dealing with mental health and the like, but to me, those aren't the real issue. The real issue is one of logistics.

I absolutely do NOT think it is acceptable to force women to berth and shower with men, regardless of what those men think themselves to be.
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SPC Brian Mason
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The military isn't some all-inclusive club. Since we all took the ASVAB and went through MEPS you should all know this. We aren't built the same. I saw people get rejected during the health part. Did they whine about it? No. Where the advocation for the Scottish-Asian albino midget with a gimp leg, who's blind in one eye and a heavy lisp who wants to serve?
People get put out during BCT and AIT for many reasons and get an ELS. People who have 'issues' while in can be pulled off duty have mandatory health and mental screenings. Chronic depression and anxiety will keep people out. Someone who is having 'issues' with their sex and gender.....on some level do they need access to a weapon? What about the two teens that shot up a place. One was an American hating idiot and the other was a 'transgender' female; FtM.
If they transition, who's going to pay for it? YOUR TAXES. I'm not responsible for anyone else's healthcare nor are they mine. They will need constant evaluation on how the hormones work on the body. They are influencing their body, emotions, and way of thinking. If they don't get them it will also affect how their body works, emotions, and thinking. That's not very stable.
It should have never been allowed but it is what is. People were barred and put out for many reasons for decades. We all had barriers to get in. Many did, many did not.
https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/index.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html
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SFC Robert Hills
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I am truly amazed at the acceptance by military folks of the many social engineering projects being
carried out in the name of diversity. The purpose of our military is to seek out and kill our enemies
not to pacify congresspersons and other mommies
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SPC Steven Nihipali
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Im under the impression that trans are people that are one sex but mentally think they're the other and will physically alter their appearance. As for banning or supporting, it's a personal one. Living here in Texas, the gay population is massive and you wouldn't think of it, but the gay population doesn't like the rest of mainstream media push. Gay service members have always served, no one will stop that. Show up, do your job and go home.
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SGT Lisa Fields
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Edited 5 y ago
As for the supposed Trans vets that support the ban I have no information to go on as I have not seen it. The idea is so completely out of left field I can't comprehend it.

Now I can address legit concerns that have been misrepresented due to malicious uninformed assumption and straight up lies from certain parties.

1. Cost too much: 3years of data 0.0003% of the Medical budget (just the medical budget) ....yea no that's not even a drop in the bucket that's hardly a speck of dust in the wind hospital armbands cost more.

2. Mental illnesses: Being trans is no more a problem then being a foster child. There are no behavior or cognitive problems inherantly associated with being trans. However like foster children trans individuals at extremely high risk of abuse. Only instead of it being localized to the home it's everywhere everyday from society itself.
For current SM this is not an issue in the slightest. For recruit prospects well they made it to adulthood just like any Foster kid and if there's no mental diagnosis for things like PTSD Clinical Depression etc then there is no problem.

3. Non-deployability:
Another common lie. Every surgical process the military currently provides is available to non trans SM. Just like those SM their commanders have to sign off on a timeline to have it done so it does not affect deployability some have a faster turn around than Lasik with con leave or profile. No one's getting any special treatment. The one that requires a civilian Doc has same recovery time as the as a breast alteration, something SM have been getting for decades.

4. Rx Logistics: If we can keep a constant supply of nightmare inducing Malaria drugs to the whole force we can provide a few boxes of hormones every 6months. If a there's extended no contact nobody is going to die or go bonkers it just don't work like that in reality.

5. The military is not a social experiment.
Do excuse my French but you can kiss my black ass.

I'm not sure how my father dealt with the segregationist bulshit when he was in the military I don't know how women put up with the b******* back in the day but the military is not a social experiment hashtag air quotes is one of the most used beating sticks against minority groups since the beginning of time it's old it's tired and it's crap.

6.PT test
PT test will not be an issue in 2020 if everything goes on schedule so mute point.
However at present until an individual's transition is complete and maintain the same standards that they had before so a female transition to male still does the female standard and vice versa until transition is complete all gender specific standards remain unchanged.

In closing we are one of the few civilized countries that has a restriction of this type our closest allies Israel Australia England excetera they mandate transgender individuals to serve those which conscription or they allow them to serve.

There are no legitimate reasons to bar transgender service members none. Reality has proven all arguments against it to be bulshit pure unadulterated b*******.

But this will go round and round and round and round I don't see this conversation ending anytime soon there will always be easy but but but and the eww icky causing problems
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SGT Lisa Fields
SGT Lisa Fields
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.see above
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SFC Robert Hills
SFC Robert Hills
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Horseshit
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