Posted on Aug 15, 2014
Why aren't E4's in the Air Force a part of the NCO Core when they can tasked to become one?
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Senior Airman are expected to step-up and take charge and act as if they are already NCO's. In every other branch E4's are NCO's (We know the Army has that lateral promotion in some MOS's where a CPL is an NCO but not a SPC although both are E4). Why not in the AF? Do you think the the rank of Sergeant should be brought back? Do you think E4's should be considered NCO's in the AF or Military period? Or should E4's remain as is?
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I think that the SrA rank should remain as is, but that E-4's should spend all of their time at that rank figuring out what it takes to be an NCO, learning the SSgt's responsibilities in their duty section and mastering them, and asking for more opportunities to lead. If you want them to look at you as an NCO, you have to perform as an NCO. I was always taught that good airmen work a stripe or two ahead. When I was an A1C, I had to fill an acting NCOIC spot in my duty section due to a manning shortage in our flight at the time. Now that I have a line number, I'm shadowing TSgts and trying to master everything that they do.
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SSgt (Join to see) one of the best posts I have seen on here!! You could work for me any day of the week!
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Sgt John Tyler
Then why shouldn't all other services "demote" E-4 to a non-NCO status? Why the difference between USAF and every other military service beginning NCO grade in USA? No one has an answer to that question. The NCO's i worked for let me figure out the work load while they played pinochle, I spent 5 month in a slot designated for an E-6 TSgt. Got the work but no grade nor extra pay for the work.
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Prior to the implementation of the E-4 SRA rank an individual had to wait for an NCO opening to be promoted to E-4 Sargent. At the time their was a limited amount of NCOs allowed in proportion to Airman. I suppose there is still some limitations today. With the implementation of the SRA rank, A1Cs can be promoted and draw the E-4 pay as soon as their time in grade (TIG) is met. Prior to the SRA rank A1Cs had to wait past their TIG allocation waiting for an NCO slot. The present process allows Airmen to continue in training while drawing E-4 pay. I wish it had been that way when I served. I was an A1C longer that I was a Sgt, E-4.
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I personally feel like it should stay as is, kind of like what SFC Mark Merino said. While we're expected to learn to become a NCO and pratically be one at SrA. I feel like pure experience beats all. We both know of people who got promoted to SSgt and only because they're book smart and lack every bit of leadership skills required. I feel like its that perfect bridge. Not quite bottom of the barrel yet not too high either. SrA are slightly over A1C, and can get pratice in that area. I also feel like maturity is a big thing too. Although sometimes you have older men/women who are SrA, if a SrA had SSgt rights or espectations some would not handle it well or maturely. Since SrA is given to us, Itd put a lot of pressure on A1Cs to get their act together REAL quick...which isnt entirely bad but would be pretty nerve racking.
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TSgt Terry Hudson
Great response! But what about bringing back the rank Sergeant? That would illiviate that A1C to SrA(NCO type) jump! A sergeant wouldn't have all the pull SSgt would but a little bit more than SrA but is still an NCO.
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Sgt John Tyler
This could be a retention incentive too. We were trained for almost a year after basic training and let them go after less than 3 years of active service. Can the USAF afford this brain drain?
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