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So I was looking at my OCP Uniform the other day and I started to think to myself... If I can get my badges, rank, and nametapes sewed on my uniform, what was the point of switching from the BDU'S? One of the many reasons the ACU'S were brought into existence was to save Soldiers money by not having to sew everything on..fast forward 10 years and you can sew anything on and it's even more expensive now then it was then. I can go on about the buttons and how OCP looks like a different color woodland pattern but wanted to pose this question for everyone. Thoughts?
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Its optional to sew on tapes and badges. If PV2 Snuffy can only afford one set of tapes and tapes and transfers it from one uniform to another, he's in compliance.
But when he becomes SFC Snuffy and decides its easier and more professional looking to sew on the badges and tapes, so be it. Those items rarely change.
Personally, I would like to see the return of full color shoulder sleeve insigna on the OCP when in garrison and the wearing on the collar of rank and officer branch insignia as it was done on the BDU.
But when he becomes SFC Snuffy and decides its easier and more professional looking to sew on the badges and tapes, so be it. Those items rarely change.
Personally, I would like to see the return of full color shoulder sleeve insigna on the OCP when in garrison and the wearing on the collar of rank and officer branch insignia as it was done on the BDU.
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MAJ (Join to see)
//Its optional to sew on tapes and badges.//
And that's a good thing, too. It gives people options in the exact way your example shows. It only becomes a problem when you have people sewing on one or two of the items, but not all 3, which isn't allowed (and looks shitty). Unfortunately, in my unit, there's usually one or two every few months who do that, and somehow they manage to make it a few weeks on average before someone points it out and they get it corrected.
We recently had a newly-promoted O-5 that had it that way for months because he had only sewn on 2 so he could still swap the rank at his promotion, but then he never got around to sewing on the third part. Apparently the CDR/CSM never noticed, and I guess too many people below simply never said anything. I was a buddy of his when we were fellow "Iron Majors," so I broke the news. (He went to the sewing shop immediately, and they fixed it for him same-day while he went to the gym over lunch.)
And that's a good thing, too. It gives people options in the exact way your example shows. It only becomes a problem when you have people sewing on one or two of the items, but not all 3, which isn't allowed (and looks shitty). Unfortunately, in my unit, there's usually one or two every few months who do that, and somehow they manage to make it a few weeks on average before someone points it out and they get it corrected.
We recently had a newly-promoted O-5 that had it that way for months because he had only sewn on 2 so he could still swap the rank at his promotion, but then he never got around to sewing on the third part. Apparently the CDR/CSM never noticed, and I guess too many people below simply never said anything. I was a buddy of his when we were fellow "Iron Majors," so I broke the news. (He went to the sewing shop immediately, and they fixed it for him same-day while he went to the gym over lunch.)
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//Personally, I would like to see the return of ... the wearing on the collar of rank and officer branch insignia ...//
Oh GOD yes! I miss my MI Branch insignia so damn much (and the collar was a better place for those details, IMO). I used to keep an ACU version with a velcro back *under* the mandarin collar on my ACUs, but now that I'm in OCP I can't even do that.
Oh GOD yes! I miss my MI Branch insignia so damn much (and the collar was a better place for those details, IMO). I used to keep an ACU version with a velcro back *under* the mandarin collar on my ACUs, but now that I'm in OCP I can't even do that.
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CPT Brad Wilson
Amen I worked hard to earn those crossed cannons and hated it when I couldn't wear them and when you are in a Brigade or higher TOC its real hard to find the engineer or commo guy without seeing their branch on their collar.
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when my dad enlisted in '58 (he had a really low number) in basic they were issued brown rough-out boots, and in basic they used lighter fluid (I think) to burn off the rough-out, then dyed the boots black, and then spit shined them. So how long will it be before somebody discovers that if they burn off the rough-out that they can polish the boots, and then dye the boots black so that they can make the boots look even better?
I arrived for fatigues, was issued jungle cammies for the 82d, then the switch to BDUs and retired after the switch to ACUs.
After I got back from Iraq, I bought a sewing machine for all of the my new patches for my BDUs, and occasionally brought in the sewing machine on drill to help the other guys in the unit with their uniforms FOR FREE!!
I arrived for fatigues, was issued jungle cammies for the 82d, then the switch to BDUs and retired after the switch to ACUs.
After I got back from Iraq, I bought a sewing machine for all of the my new patches for my BDUs, and occasionally brought in the sewing machine on drill to help the other guys in the unit with their uniforms FOR FREE!!
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SFC Hobbs, I served on both AD and Res from 1987 - 2012. I blame Rumsfeld and GEN Schoomaker for the uniform Fup. Rumsfeld. He LOVED that SoF crap. EVERYONE was going to get a CCO and PEQ2. Even in the OEF hinterlands. And the ACUs were the WORST UNIFORM I wore - or could have imagined. Then everyone HAD to be SoF STEALTH and not wear name tapes. The were the ultimate Hey - look over there! (I didn't mind the neoprene pads). I can remember when the JCS mandated that everyone was to wear the BDUs. That lasted a long time. Then of course the Marines got SMART with two multi-cams. The Aquaflage. Only our comrades-in-arms in the USCG didn't get suckered. I am going to by the BDUs 2.0 because I fall out for flag planting detail at Ft. Logan National Cemetery on Memorial day. I guess I got to sew everything on. BTW - I remember coming home from KFOR authorized to wear the color US Flag with BDUs. Then it was khaki boots with BDUs. I do have Mama's Bates Jump Boots somewhere. Good topic!!!!!
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Yes I understand your point but why switch the pattern to digital camo why not keep the old camo like it was before?
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I don't know, but that looks ugly as hell. The Army seems to be all about being different and not better, which hurts them a lot of the time.
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So we blend in with somthing other than a gravel parking lot or a poorly upholstered couch
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The ACU turned out to be a useless camouflage pattern. About the only place they blended in was in a gravel parking lot, which proves that they were most likely designed by a REMF.
The multi-cam is more effective in Afghanistan, but 3-color DCU worked well in Iraq.
Most of the guys on my ODA had our wives send us our old BDU's in Afghanistan, because that's what the ANA was wearing at the time, and ACU's made us sniper bait.
I have no frigging idea what was behind the chocolate chip suit in Desert Storm.
The multi-cam is more effective in Afghanistan, but 3-color DCU worked well in Iraq.
Most of the guys on my ODA had our wives send us our old BDU's in Afghanistan, because that's what the ANA was wearing at the time, and ACU's made us sniper bait.
I have no frigging idea what was behind the chocolate chip suit in Desert Storm.
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David Zanko
The chocolate chip pattern was a case of designing camo that aligned a little too closely with a particular terrain. Namely the deserts of the southwest where they tested it, which have small pebbles all over the place due to weathering. Stands out in a more sandy desert like Iraq, whereas one made for a sandy desert works fine in a pebbly desert. The switch to the three-color DCU was one time where they actually pulled their heads out of their third point of contact pretty quickly.
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I'am with you 300% Hurts.We shoud have some uniiform in the middle,between the Formal Blue and a new Class A and a light duty and office work class B.
This could just be, like the Marines have.
This could just be, like the Marines have.
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So what do you think? The Sergeant Major of the Army, Dan Dailey, wants to make the Army vintage again. Daley is leading an effort to resurrect arguably the Army's most iconic uniform: the classic WWII era “Pink and Greens.”
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SSG Walter Corretjer
You are nothing but a private.A long way seems you would have years to come.To this day it looks,that you don't know the difference, between a pair of boots and a duffle bag.
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Okay - I am definitely old school. All good soldiers want to look like peacocks...that's what Class A, Class B and Dress Uniforms are for. Out in the field all you need is your last name and rank stenciled on your utilities.... pick your color. Green for the forest , brown for the desert, cammies for the jungle. One piece, two piece- you pick. New assignment - burn them ! Am I wrong here ?
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