Posted on Mar 30, 2016
Why do Senior Leaders care so much less in Korea? Why are rules and regulations viewed as "guidelines"?
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SSG Williams, I noticed the same thing when I was in Korea the last time. I think it is because many of them don't want to be there so they do the bare minimum to get through the year and return to the U.S. So although they have a duty and responsibility to uphold the standards and discipline of their organizations and the Soldiers they come in contact with, they choose to look the other way. The problem is not just there though, it is evident throughout the army now. The best thing I can say is, do the best everyday to affect your own corner of the army and hope that your influence will extend beyond your element. When junior Soldiers see a leader that gives a shit about them others want to be a part of your organization. That is truly the best you can do.
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CSM, I am baffled beyond belief and struggling to maintain. Seriously, shaking my head dang head all day.
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This is what they call Command Climate. Top down type of leadership. If the senior leaders believe in a certain type of leadership it becomes contagious. I worked in a few places with this mentality. I ensured my soldiers that I did not soldier that way. We do things right or don't do it. Be true to your Creed and validate your integrity no matter where you are or what position you are in.
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SSG (Join to see) I did not see, experience, nor condone what you describe. As the Military Police brigade commander and US Forces Korea Provost Marshal, I can assure you that rules and regulations were enforced when I was there, at least within my brigade and in areas that I had influence/control over.
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Because there is less visability. For instance I had a discussion with several senior leaders today about our brigades dispatch policy which my battalion refuses to follow. In the states, specifically Fort Bliss I would just assume let the Division Comet team catch them riding dirty and have their picture in a slide deck at the the MSRR but there is no such team in Korea. Since there is no one checking the senior leaders, they think that since they are 'senior' they don't have to follow doctrine.
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CW3 Stephen Mantie
This is my 3rd tour in Korea. The turnover for 1 years cripples units because there are people on 2-3 year tours taking up a lot of the slack that those on one year tours. For example, who gets most the additional duties? Those on 2 or 3 year tours. The reasoning is that the additional duty may require additional training that only comes around once or twice annually. Who is the 1SG or the commander going to pick? The Soldier with the DEROS that is the farthest out. I don't blame the 1SGs and Commanders. I would probably do the same thing as them but they are killing those on extended tours while those on the 12 months tours really only do 10 months of actual work.
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This is very true and completely ridiculous. I wish the IG would actually give a S#$t over here to flush the turds out.
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CW3 Stephen Mantie
IG won't do anything here. It's senior leaders making bad decisions. My hope is that the ones who make the bad decisions get pushed out. The reality is that the Army breads the mentality that if you are partially loud and obnoxious, you must be doing a half way decent job and your evaluation may reflect positively. What goes around comes around. I have seen great leaders get the boot and substandard leaders get promoted. Hopefully those that are substandard are dealt with. I do my part here by forcing those that fail to comply with the doctrine in my area of expertise (ground maintenance) to meet the standard as much as possible. Even when it costs me some one way conversations with the boss. If I know I am right (I am rarely wrong), I will take an butt chewing or even a bad OER if it possibly saved someone's life.
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The bad part Chief is that in my short 10 years the smart and good leaders have all been the ones who got out. I'm really trying to buck that trend. But its getting harder and harder.
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SSG Williams, I'm on the last gasp of my second tour of Korea and while here I've seen both ends of the spectrum, the senior leaders that are such sticklers for rules and regulations that it becomes toxic and detrimental to the unit and Soldiers, good junior Soldiers and good NCO's, that came to Korea wanting to stay in and make a career out of the Army decided not to reenlist specifically because of their senior leaders. I've also seen leadership that was so lax and uncaring about Regs and standards that the Soldiers beneath them didn't survive the changeover to new leadership because they weren't taught properly by their NCO's and showed serious levels of disrespect. A high majority of lower enlisted Soldiers that come to Korea are just out of AIT and what they see they emulate. Short tours like Korea give Soldiers wether they are Officers or Enlisted "short timers disease"
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I realize everyone's experiences are subjective, however I experienced exactly the opposite during my three tours to Korea (in most respects). The mission, training and preparation for the very real possibility of war were always high on the list of priorities. That said, there was the challenge of people being either brand new or on their way out the door for half their tour... however I don't recall anyone ever allowing that to serve as an excuse for lowering standards. Looking back on my time in, it's clear that I was always at my very best coming off "hardship tours" in Korea... physically and mentally.
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Seeing as how I just got orders to Korea, this is mildly disheartening =o)
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