Posted on Oct 29, 2013
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Why do Soldiers have such a hard time being comfortable with the ideas that 1) the Army values are valuable 100% of the time - on and off duty and 2) a Soldier should act like in a professional manner no matter where he or she should find themselves?

For that matter, why are leaders OK with lapses in integrity or selfless service (for example) if the Soldier in question isn't on base, on duty, or in uniform at the time of the lapse?
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As LT Brantley mentioned, if we expect our Soldiers to live our values all the time then we must take a hard look at ourselves and ensure we are indeed doing so.  We need also realize that after basic training, the transition to professional Soldier continues and we must continue to mold and develop our young Soldiers as we serve with them.  If we maintain and enforce the standards then we will develop future leaders who will do the same.  It's easy to complain about Soldiers not doing what know they should, or not meeting the standards, or not wearing the uniform properly, or .... When we find ourselves complaining we should stop, evaluate what we are doing to fix the problem, and then take action within our realm of responsibility.  My 1SG used to remind me of this when he'd tell me to "worry about our bubble, sir! Let's make things as good as we can in our bubble."  As to the question of leaders being OK with lapses, I wonder if you're talking about allowing second chances or not providing any discipline for that lapse?  If it's the first, I'm okay with second chances and helping a Soldier learn from it and develop into that future leader we want.  If it's the absence of discipline then see the first part of this rambling response.
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Well, sir, I'm all about second chances. The questions is one of return on investment. If we invest in our Soldiers, we should reasonably expect a return for that investment in commitment, work, discipline, etc. If we can continue to expect that return, we should continue to invest. If we cannot...well, there is no sense in throwing "good money after bad" is there?
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Along these same lines, is there a such thing as a "universal" code of ethics? Please understand. I don't mean universal as in all people at all times but I do mean all people in a specific organization (e.g. company or squadron) or all people in a certain category (e.g. Airmen/Sailors/Soldiers/Marines/etc). Can we expect anything that we try to do in the diverse organizations of which we are a part to hold anything as universally true?
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SGT Scott Bailey
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Integrity and respect for our President from military members is off the charts. Take your hatred to the voting booth. For service members to be so disrespectful, all political persuasions included, his sending wrong messages to young men and women in uniform. Lead by example. Hate is not a good example. We are ALL AMERICANS! We need to all start acting like it. "Divided we Fall". Absolutely
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SGT Scott Bailey
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Amen! Thanks for your mature thoughts. You are setting a great example for young soldiers. Thank you for that. Positive discourse is hard to find anymore.
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COL Robert White
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Values are important. Mistakes will be made (by everyone), however there is a difference between a mistake and an "on purpose". Unfortunately some folks were not brought up with proper values. It is up to us as leaders to teach our soldiers our common values. It worked for me!
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What do you mean by "proper values," sir? What makes them proper? How do we communicate that propriety to the service member in question?
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SFC Gary (Bigsarge) Portier USARMY RET.
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THE ARMY VALUES. Army Values like NCOER are not worth the paper it's written on.

Most I have run into want the values directed toward them but do not use them towards others. Hope I explained well enough.


As for NCOER what good is when told to write my own then they will sign it. or I am given a bad one with no write ups of any kind and everyone signs off on it with out question and no one knows hope to dispute it.   

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