Posted on May 16, 2015
1LT Nick Kidwell
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Why is it that there are people out there who feel it's their duty to abuse others verbally? I'm asking this in the context of people specifically going on the offensive because they are atheist (think Richard Dawkins, only more abusive), and the other person claims a faith, usually Christianity.

I mean, I know people who have NO beliefs in common with mine, but we can have philosophical discussions all day long without any animosity. Then there's the rather witty and very intelligent people that, once they discover a person is a Christian, flip a switch and become a shark in a feeding frenzy...

I can respect your lack of faith, even though it saddens me. I only ask that you respect mine.



***Editing Note: On 21 May 2015, I removed the tag "Politics." As the OP, I don't intend this question as an antagonistic one nor do I intend it as a political one. I am simply attempting to gain insight into the motivation behind behavior that I have personally witnessed.
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Cpl Kristoffer Mischel
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I am personally agnostic. I have never attacked anyone about their religion. I may ask a few questions in order to gain a better understanding of a person's views, but these are solicited. My issue, which will make me get on the offensive, is when a person is aggressively pushing their views on me. I am open to discussion and will go point for point with someone. I have also never seen this shark feeding frenzy that you have addressed, but I can see that it could happen. I have full respect for peoples faiths, that's one of the things I fought to protect.
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SPC Nathan Freeman
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The great thing about forums is that we can leave if we don't like where the conversation is going. It's an excellent place to have this sort of discussion
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SSG(P) Auston Terry
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I can't speak to the motivations of others but I will recount an anecdote that I think is a root cause, although the exact situation is unique I suppose.
Last year I went to the MPD on my post early in the morning to replace a worn ID. In front of me in line were two Humanist chaplains from the Royal Netherlands Army. The ID card section worked with it's usual alacrity and I got to listen to about 20 minutes of the civilian alternating between berating the KL chaplain and having him explain his point of view. It was pretty offensive to me because she seemed openly antagonistic and he was our guest, both to our country and our Army. If that was MY first impression of American Christendom I'd be pretty antagonistic too.
To his credit the guy was very patient and thanked her for her time and left.

American Christians in particular seem to feel the need to be openly antagonistic on their own and historically have been. I think what you are describing is a modern backlash. I think you will also find that historically speaking Christians have been intolerant of differences in opinion within their own ranks, murderously so, and in this century. Any outsider, especially someone who doesn't share your faith would be logically skeptical, and militantly so.
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
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Listen, if you are a christian believer, then you should abide by the Bible.

It plainly states that, basically, you should worship in private and not to make a big deal about it. As in, it is between you and your god, no need to advertise it to the world.

I feel religious people of all denominations like to go against this simple advice and advertise their religious colors.

Believer or not, keep it to yourself and congregate with your church if you must, end of story, chances are the belligerence would diminish.

I am not an atheist, I simply keep my religion to myself and do not proselytize.

Isn't it obvious that religious questions here on RP or elsewhere inevitably end in discord? Why not simply stop asking or trolling for religious enmity?

Good night everyone.
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
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MSgt Brian Welch
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Your post is an earthly justification for not measuring up. It's also an indicator you've been educated and given the choice, and good or bad knowingly chosen your path. People in heaven (whether you believe it or not) are not looking down and smirking at those being "tortured" (and by tortured I assume your meme means those in hell). Neither are those on earth trying to pass on the word. Honestly, you CAN take it or leave it. When a christian comes to your door to talk to you they aren't hunting you down, they would be just as happy to make pleasant contact with you and go about their way if that's your wish.
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
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What do you mean by earthly? Not measuring up to what? As I see it no human being alive can ever ascend to such a place based on measures. Considering the wars and famine and poverty that is rampant across the globe...not too many folks are worried about measuring up. If they were every Christian would have to give all their wealth to the poor... Because it's easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle than get get a rich man into heaven, right? .and I don't see that happening Any time soon...
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SGT Jimmy Stout
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People hate the truth
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PFC Chris Hemingway
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honestly sgt im antagonistic towards christians because if i stay silent who will protect my fellow pagans against the christians
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SGT Kevin Brown
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I kind of commented about this earlier on a separate post, but here is one possibilty (and I say one because it is about me and my actions are mine alone, not the actions of others). I was an Atheist converted to Catholic during my first tour in Afghanistan. Without getting into how that happened here, when I was an Atheist, I made it my personal mission to disprove the beliefs of all religious people, most particularly Chriatians. I didnt do this because I hated them or that I actually believed Atheist views weee better then religous ones. I did this because I was angry at God, hated the church and couldnt stand the crape I was feed as a kid by my Mothers extremist church groups. I generalized all Christians under the actions of the few that did me wrong. Just like I shouldnt have generalized then, I ask that you don't generalize the above identified actions as anything other then my own.
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SSG G3 Aviation Air Movement Request Nco
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Personally, I try not to "attack" people for their religious beliefs. I will feel free to chime in on a discussion thread. In individual conversation, I will (usually) only talk about my beliefs if someone else brings it up. And then I will try to explain my position without being insulting...but without being apologetic and with extreme prejudice against the notion that religion "requires" reverence by non-believers.

Where it comes up for me most here on RP, is that I will take EVERY opportunity to attempt to remove references to any religion (see? Non-discriminate) from official things (policy, ceremonies, decorations...basically, anything that isn't specifically "yours" to do with what you wish).
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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SPC Jeffrey Bly
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It's their own fear that causes them to be on the offensive. I'd rather be Christian and be wrong than the other way around. Eternity is a long time. Besides, as I heard it said in a movie once - Why is it the vast majority of the worlds population, regardless of faith or religion, believe in some sort of supreme being or higher power?
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SPC Jeffrey Bly
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We're all afraid of something. And you could and may be absolutely right. If you can't beat the house odds... I have plenty of friends of different beliefs, and we love to have our philosophical conversations. It's healthy to flex your brains muscles now and then.
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SGT Anthony Bussing
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I'd rather be Christian and be wrong than the other way around" so youd rather not be an atheist and be right?
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SPC Jeffrey Bly, you are talking about Pascal's Wager. Of course, when a person brings the obvious to the front of the argument: What you are admitting, when taking internalizing this mentality, is that your "faith" is a choice. You "are" a Christian because you fear the consequences of eternal damnation, should you profess unbelief.
If you strip the hypothetical away and immerse yourself in the paradox, you are indeed facing a conundrum...admittedly one that atheists have never possessed (or have already shed): If one must CHOOSE to be religious, they must also CHOOSE what they believe in. Stripping the argument to bare bones, then, how does that fare for everyone else in the world who chooses a different god?
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Capt Jeff S.
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It feeds their ego to condescend to people they have a chip on their shoulder against.
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