Posted on Feb 15, 2018
Why do you think there are so many school shootings now?
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Why do you think there are so many school shootings now as opposed to say 25 to 30 years ago? We all know that guns can’t shoot themselves, so obviously that is not the problem in my opinion. I honestly believe that there is a direct correlation between the rise of school shootings and the taking of God out of the classroom, and kids not getting a well deserved a** whooping. Thoughts on this?
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Well I just retired from teaching and coaching. I spent 30 years in the AD and Reserves side of the Army. In the last 10 years or so how many of you have seen bewilderment in the eyes of a Soldier when they get in trouble? There are no consequences in schools for your actions. When your butt in the seat determines how much money a school district gets it determines consequences. I have seen kids fight and be back in the classroom that day. The few times they do get suspended is when they go after an administrator verbally or physically. They can do almost anything to another student or teacher. Parents don't think their johnny or susie can do anything wrong. If a kid fails it is usually cause they missed to much school. As far as God not being in schools it doesn't matter if He is not in the homes.
Next if you back in history to the late 60's through 70's and they stopped institutionalizing people with mental problems you can see the results. Instead of putting people in institutions they medicate them. These people stop using their meds and this is what you get.
Trying to solve this problem with just one solution will never work. It has to be a multiple prong attack. Bringing discipline back into the schools and families. Raising expectations for all students. Introducing God back into the family will solve many of the problems. The last is the hard one and that is the mental aspect.
Next if you back in history to the late 60's through 70's and they stopped institutionalizing people with mental problems you can see the results. Instead of putting people in institutions they medicate them. These people stop using their meds and this is what you get.
Trying to solve this problem with just one solution will never work. It has to be a multiple prong attack. Bringing discipline back into the schools and families. Raising expectations for all students. Introducing God back into the family will solve many of the problems. The last is the hard one and that is the mental aspect.
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The problem is bullying. If these kids didn't bully each other, there wouldn't be shootings. When I was in high school we used to fight after school under the bridge. Now they shoot each other. Kids have no respect for one another. Emma González admitted to bullying Nikolas Cruz since middle school and her excuse was we didn't know him. Maybe if she offered to eat lunch with him, or even talk to him, 17 students would still be alive. Its time to start holding bullies responsible and accountable is the person they bullied murders someone.
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30% of American children live in single parent households. 25% of American children live in poverty. 19% of American children to to bed hungry. Given these facts it seem logical to assume that the breakdown of the family unit and the resulting consequences i.e. lack of positive role models, lack of discipline, etc. in combination with a feeling of hopelessness can only result in abhorrent behavior. Guns don't have anything to do with it...anymore so than spoons causing obesity. Bullying may play a role but only to the extent that society has come to the conclusion that kids shouldn't have to stand up for themselves. To the contrary....a kid that punches a bully in the nose often finds him or herself in more trouble than the bully!
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"God in the classroom" has precisely zero to do with it.
There is absolutely no correlation there whatsoever.
(As if you could keep a purportedly omnipresent, omnipotent deity out of a given area anyways)
Where there *is* correlation, is the soft, entitled, and emotively-driven nature of society that has been born of our success at the global level. Consumerist society where children and mass sections of society are told how important their feelings are, and how everyone else should capitulate to them.
*There* is your problem.
Americans are historically a "pioneer" people. We were used to the rough rigors of life, and absolutely knew how, for the most part, to move beyond rejection, and blaze our own trails. A stalwart pragmatic nature was a part of our fabric that we cut out somewhere along the way.
Now it's all mocha frappes, Twitter, and Facebook.
Interestingly, even though I have nearly 2 decades in IT, I think it's also a product of being able to regularly interact with and project ones shadow self (Sorry. Jungian theory here.) so frequently due to the anonymity of the internet. This allows people to identify with, interact, and readily make available traits of their darker personality.
Combine persistent violent internalized and justified introspection with the idea of immortalization and teenage angst,. and tuh duh! Mass shootings.
There is absolutely no correlation there whatsoever.
(As if you could keep a purportedly omnipresent, omnipotent deity out of a given area anyways)
Where there *is* correlation, is the soft, entitled, and emotively-driven nature of society that has been born of our success at the global level. Consumerist society where children and mass sections of society are told how important their feelings are, and how everyone else should capitulate to them.
*There* is your problem.
Americans are historically a "pioneer" people. We were used to the rough rigors of life, and absolutely knew how, for the most part, to move beyond rejection, and blaze our own trails. A stalwart pragmatic nature was a part of our fabric that we cut out somewhere along the way.
Now it's all mocha frappes, Twitter, and Facebook.
Interestingly, even though I have nearly 2 decades in IT, I think it's also a product of being able to regularly interact with and project ones shadow self (Sorry. Jungian theory here.) so frequently due to the anonymity of the internet. This allows people to identify with, interact, and readily make available traits of their darker personality.
Combine persistent violent internalized and justified introspection with the idea of immortalization and teenage angst,. and tuh duh! Mass shootings.
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For much the same reason far more drowning deaths occur by open bodies of water, I imagine.
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Things that encompass Family values and Respect for others seems to be forgotten nowdays. Kids need to be less involved in problems that should be their parents problems. High schoolers get out of school and they can't function in the 'real world', can't cook,do laundry,sew a button on,manage money,have lost the ability to solve life problems. They have to work to get ahead,starting at the bottom and working to get to the top,not starting off where their parents are now in life.
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I do feel that we need to be tougher on our kids when we raise them. We also did not have tp remember we did not have social media, video games and access to any kind of media possible instantly. As people, we have become much more distracted with our lives and worries and unless it affects us directly we don't do much. Many families do not eat dinner together anymore and mental illness is not being treated. We also have become so politically correct now we are afraid to be tough and honest. As far as religion I 100% disagree with you. As a Public school teacher in a neighborhood where we have kids from 18 different countries and many different religions, we would spend all day on which god to choose. America is not the Christian nation that earlier generations grew up with. My Muslim kids, my Hindu kids my Christian kids all stand and say the pledge all state the words "under God." My Jehovah witness kid and assistant do not and in fact, do not even stand.
God or religion is not going to solve the gun problem.
God or religion is not going to solve the gun problem.
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Sadly , I've read some of these postings and all that resonates is that WE are to blame. Each and everyone of us. Our inability to rally and affect change at a political level is seeded in our inability to maintain our own households. We have con artists for presidents, rap stars as heroes and everyone knows the end game is to get paid. Its no wonder children feel nihilistic. The level of our cultural decadence is at an all time high and it goes to the very nature of our freedom at all costs mentality and our free markets pontificating. Greed at all cost has caused this and until we (if this is even possible to reverse) as family's and then communities begin to to recognize this will continue. These tragedy's are simply reflections on a greater national dilemma - the decay of the Ideal That America was originally founded which no longer is pertinent a new time is emerging we're the cancerous free market economy ideology is being rebuked and discredited and hopefully superseded. My hearts go out to all these parents who have lost their children and I fear for my own and often reflect if it is time to leave.
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I think it's pretty damn simple. Our nation claims moral superiority over anyone else in any conflict and then blows the shit out of them. Our movies display the same behavior, as do the video games, the music, the sports, the porn, the toys, everything! Smart phones mean that our kids can NEVER leave the critical gaze of their peers, never be away from the violent noise that saturates our culture. Any messed up kid can go on the internet and find the supporting materials to justify their acts of fantastic violent revenge or attention-seeking. Guns are simple to get a hold of, and made so that even children can operate them. Every shooting in the news inspires the next shooters, and the chain-reaction goes on.
Y'all can blame gay marriage, loss of christian values, psychotropic medications, Libtards and Oprah, or Sasquatch, but until we wake up to the deeply violent culture of American exceptionalism, the shootings will only grow more frequent. We've been at war since 9/11, right? Well, surprise surprise, our kids at war too!
Y'all can blame gay marriage, loss of christian values, psychotropic medications, Libtards and Oprah, or Sasquatch, but until we wake up to the deeply violent culture of American exceptionalism, the shootings will only grow more frequent. We've been at war since 9/11, right? Well, surprise surprise, our kids at war too!
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