Posted on Feb 19, 2014
SGT Niel Chase
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I want to carry my weapon with me to and from post, since I live off post, and stay within legal guidelines. However, I found that if I wanted to place my weapon in the armsroom during the day while at work and get it out at COB to go home it would have to be added to the commander's hand receipt. Not only that but it would have to be accounted for in every 100% inventory. Why is there not a way for service members to carry their weapons to and from work, hold it in the armsroom and then get it out at the end of the day? It seems a bit ridiculous to me.
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SFC James Baber
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Because if there is ever an installation physical security inspection how are they going to explain an undocumented weapon in the Arms room, everyone from the Armorer up to the CDR is going to jail, that is why.


POWs are authorized to be stored, they have to be accounted for via the installation and the way to do that is to be on the CDR running hand receipt for the arms room, common sense is where the mentality comes from, and it also protects you, because if something happens to it after you turn it in, you are not liable for anything improper that is done with it, doesn't that make sense to you for your protection as well.

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SSG(P) Casualty Operations Ncoic
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It's also like an inventory for insurance purposes too.  If there is a fire in the Arms Room, and your personal weapon is destroyed, the Army would have to replace your property.  It's kind of like you have a 2062 for your weapon to be stored there.
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SGT Niel Chase
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Ok that is understandable. I suppose I voiced my question incorrectly however. I was trying to ask why I have to go through all that hassle when all I want to do is carry it to and from work. I would like the installations to allow carrying of POW's by SM's but until that comes just to and from post. Is there any other way to do this with staying in the legal standards and not having to make a special trip to a buddies house to drop off and pick it up?
Apologize for the miscommunication.
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SSG Jaime Ramos
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if you are being allowed to carry your weapon onto post without having a special permit from the provost Marshall you should count your stars lucky on the fact soldiers are usually only allowed to bring firearms from off post for hunting or safety handling training
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SSG Zachery Mitchell
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This is what I found in AR 190-11:





4–5. privately-owned
weapons and ammunition




a. Commanders will
ensure privately-owned arms and ammunition (including authorized war trophies)
are protected on their installations and
facilities. Based upon local requirements and availability of resources,
Commanders may establish and maintain a system
for the registration of privately owned arms on their installations. Commanders
will—




(1) Secure arms and ammunition in
the installation armory or unit arms rooms in approved locked containers separate from the military
AA&E. Storage requirements in this regulation apply. Installation
commanders may authorize storage of these items
in other locations on military installations, provided they are properly
secured.




(2) Account for and inventory arms
and ammunition.




(a) A DA Form 3749
(Weapons Receipt) will be issued for each privately-owned weapon secured in the
arms rooms.




(b) privately-owned
weapons will be inventoried in conjunction with, and at the frequency of the
inventory of Government weapons.




(c) Commanders will
establish limits on the quantity and type of privately owned ammunition stored
in the arms room, based upon availability of
space and safety considerations.




(3) Post applicable local
regulations and State and local law information on ownership, registration, and
possession of weapons and ammunition on unit
bulletin boards.




(4) Conduct inspections per AR
190–13, paragraph 2–8, and this regulation to ensure proper storage and
control.




(5) Process unauthorized AA&E
per AR 190–22, paragraph 3–4.




(6) Prohibit retention and
storage of incendiary devices and explosives.




(7) Brief all newly assigned
persons on this regulation and subordinate command guidance. All personnel will
be made aware of changes.




b. Personnel
keeping or storing privately owned arms and ammunition (including authorized
war trophies) on




military installation will—




(1) Comply with local regulations
and local and State laws on ownership, possession, registration, off–post
transport, and use.




(2) Store both arms and ammunition
in the unit arms room or other locations authorized by the installation commander.




(3) Follow local security and
safety regulations. Safeguard the unit issued DA Form 3749 for turn–in to the
unit armorer when the weapon is
withdrawn from the arms room.




(4) Withdraw privately-owned
weapons and ammunition from the unit arms rooms only upon approval of the unit commander or the commander’s
authorized representative.




(5) Ship or store arms and
ammunition as personal property, if authorized, per AR 55–355, paragraph 50–12.
When loss occurs, notify the local
provost marshal or security officer immediately.




(6) Comply with the National
Firearms Act of 1968 when receiving or bringing arms into the United States. Automatic arms must be turned
over to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF), or brought under
Army control.




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SSG Jaime Ramos
SSG Jaime Ramos
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remember the biggest about regulations, commanders are authorized to develop policies and standard operating procedures to add to ANY regulation as long as it does not diminishes the authority of the regulation
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SFC Communications Chief (S6)
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To add private property to the Commanders hand receipt regardless of the sensitive nature of the item in question is a tedious task to say the least. SSG Mitchell is correct you would be issued a weapons card which acts as a hand receipt, You'd also have to sign it in and out on a log (different posts have different definitions/forms for log) Would also have to be added to the daily inventory sheet for physical inspection purposes. If it were longer term storage I might see adding to a more official hand receipt, but for every day turn in and retrieve? Can't recall who said it here but consider yourself lucky enough to be able to carry it on post long enough to turn into your unit.
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MAJ Project Manager
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Well, there ya go...
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SPC Gary Welch
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SSG Zachery Mitchell the storage part of your comment depends on state law
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SSG Zachery Mitchell
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Who told you it had to be added to the hand receipt? I've never heard that. I have heard of them making Soldiers who live in barracks store guns there, as well as some that live off base, but I've never heard of it having to be added to the hand receipt. I had a Soldier that lived in the barracks and he stored his in the arms room. All he had to do was sign it in and out showing when it was there and when it wasn't but he didn't have to add it to the Commanders hand receipt. I could be wrong but it just doesn't sound right for it to be on his hand receipt. There are other ways to account for it during a physical security inspection.
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SGT Niel Chase
SGT Niel Chase
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Thanks SSG Mitchell, I was told by my armorer and he also showed me the regulation for it however the actually reg reference escapes me right now. I can see it as a protection thing against anything happening with it, theft, fire, shooting, etc but the way the regulation stated it was that I would need to get his "permission" everyday to get it out since it was purchased/owned by me but his "property" while being maintained in the arms room.
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SSG Zachery Mitchell
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I personally refuse to put my weapons in the arms room. That's why I own a gun safe at home. I don't travel with mine though unless i'm going hunting, to a range, or driving cross country. I'll have to look into some regs and see what I can find on this.
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SSG Zachery Mitchell - If I remember correctly, We had a separate container to keep all POW's and a separate HR on a DA 2062, the owner of the HR is the Commander. Look at Reg AR 190-13 and/or the Supply Accountability Reg.
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