Posted on May 18, 2016
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I was notified May 3rd that I have till 1 November to leave the service and never be able to serve again due to overweight 3 years ago. With 60 days saved leave that puts me at 4 months to find a new career after serving 11 years.
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CSM David Heidke
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Sergeant, sorry to hear of your predicament. It seems like you're at the end of the "appeal" process and you need to make final arrangements.

I would suggest that you find a way to transfer to the Reserves so that you can continue to earn toward your retirement. I wouldn't want to waste 11 years of active duty points. Even if you earned minimal Reserve points, your pension would be double mine.

Don't discount this.
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CSM David Heidke
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CW3 (Join to see) - I'm actually retired. But If you look at 1SG Douchbag, he's not verified. I've actually had to prove who I am. No need to be deferential to me, my boots are not being worn. I think if 1SG Mehoff was in my BN I would have had him moved to an operations job. JMHRO.
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SSG Clarence Anderman
SSG Clarence Anderman
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1SG (Join to see) - Again, you obviously did not read the material that was put before you. He had one bad NCOER 3 years ago, and has not had a negative one since. I find it hard to believe that a senior NCO can not actually take the time and read an article before making an ass of one's self.
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MSG Military Police
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1SG (Join to see) As you are an Airborne Ranger I understand that the standards of excellence to which you’ve come accustomed. And I agree that Army standards must be maintained. However, RP affords Soldiers the opportunity to use a network of Soldiers, vets, officers, NCOs, junior enlisted to glean whatever knowledge and advice they may have. (Having just re-read that I understand how that sounds like a cop out but please bare with me.)

It would seem your concerns and irritation are legitimate however, not germane to @SSG Daniel Santana original question of “Why does QMP message say soldier has 7 months to get out but it's actually 6 or less by time of notification?”

I believe your discourse would be better pointed to a question you pose for others to respond. I’m sure many leaders who have posted so far agree that the standards must be met but they are also looking at it as a Soldier asking for advice. I’m willing to bet that were you to post a question regarding to the effect of Why aren’t leaders holding Soldiers accountable …” etc, many of the same names you see who posted here, including myself, would support your supposition.

Well that’s my 2 cents, I’m gonna STFU now and do some gardening. Thank you for all the excellent work the Rangers do that we see and for those which we may never hear or see.

And to everyone, remember our the fallen brothers and sisters and stay safe. God Bless you all.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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1SG (Join to see) - I wouldn't worry about that E-5 mechanic calling you a douch. You probably have more time in the chow hall than he has in the Army. The problem with these guys, is that they don't know what a fighter is. They think because they support warriors, that they themselves are warriors, but have never set foot on a battle field. Therefore, they allow their personal feelings to get involved with "good Soldiers." You are absolutely correct. If a Soldier is fat, he/she should be put out.
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CW3 Steven Prestridge
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Tell them you're transsexual. The ask that the BF% be recalculated under female standards. If that doesn't work, tell them they're bigots. They'll back down.
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2LT Irene Mason
2LT Irene Mason
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You do know that women get to weigh less for the same height, right?
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SPC Eddie Ray
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2LT Irene Mason - umm, the weight isn't the concern if they're obviously OVER, it's the tape measurements...
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2LT Irene Mason
2LT Irene Mason
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SPC Eddie Ray - Yes. I get that. The whole stinking comment is ridiculous.
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CW3 Steven Prestridge
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2LT Irene Mason - Hence the BF% recalculation. Females are allowed more BF%. Also, it was a joke. Let it go.
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LTC Chief Of Public Affairs And Protocol
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We flag Soldiers for stupid sh*t like this as if it is going to motivate them. Can the SM do the job? If yes, they stay.
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LTC Chief Of Public Affairs And Protocol
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Well put. I understand the standard. But I also value PEOPLE. The ultimate military standard is complete the mission. If we cut everyone who is flawed (we all are), the the pool of resources (Again, PEOPLE) is diminished. Especially true in low-density MOS's.
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CPL Daniel Schwinge
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I scored very high on all tasks given to me, passed all my PT tests, but just because of a weight problem, Good By.
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LTC Chief Of Public Affairs And Protocol
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CPL Daniel Schwinge - Short sighted in my view.
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SSgt Chuck “Gunz” Gundlach USMC Ret., MBA
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Standards are standards. If you can't maintain and wrap your mind around the easy standards, how are you going to wrap your mind and fully engage the difficult missions. Also, if regulations were willy-nilly adhered to and enforced, we would have a willy-nilly military.
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Why does QMP message say soldier has 7 months to get out but it's actually 6 or less by time of notification?
SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S.
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I'm sorry to hear that SSG Santana. That's part of the Army that I don't miss at all. Although I wasn't in your predicament, I can offer a few recommendations.

First, file for VA disability for whatever medical, including psychological, conditions you've been treated for during your 11 years of service. If you've ignored taking care of your medical conditions, now is the time to rectify that. Even if active duty medical personnel don't feel compelled to treat your symptoms in a way you deem appropriate, you're still considered presumptive for issues that arise within 12 months after your separation. Make sure your symptoms (knee pain, back pain, depression, anxiety, headaches, acid reflux, etc.,) are documented in your medical record before you leave the service.

I didn't have the GI Bill offered back in 1978 when I enlisted. I entered between the old GI Bill and the new one. Anyway, after being found with 20% va service-connected disability, the va agreed to pay my way through college. I received an associated and bachelors via Vocational Rehabilitation. Then I earned a Masters, but the VA paid for that. Under VOC REHAB, the VA not only pays for the college tuition, books, paper, pencils, calculators, computer software, etc., they also pay us to go to school. The amount you receive depends on the amount of hours you attend and how many dependents you have.

Next, don't expect employers or anyone else to give you anything for your service. I retired an SFC in 2000 with many years of experience, but without the degrees it didn't matter. They want all the perks of military service (on time, hard worker, dependable, disciplined, etc.,) but they aren't paying extra for those traits and characteristics. Keep your head up and drive on. Keep going to school no matter what!

Last, never give up!! I admit, it was hard working full time, being a husband, father, homeowner, and student, but I did it. If I can (and millions of others do it all the time), so can you my brother!

God bless you and your family!!
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SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S.
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Specialist Robinson, I'm glad you were able to benefit from the program also. It's an awesome program! Like you, I don't know where I'd be without it either. Thank you for responding and I hope and pray you and your family are doing well.
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CPL Daniel Schwinge
CPL Daniel Schwinge
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GET YOUR OWN COPY OF YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY. My son in law was screwed out of VA care because the documentation of Active duty injury could not be proven. He was in the NJNG. Also discharged for overweight and torn ACL.
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SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S.
SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S.
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Great point! I copied mine before I retired!
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SSG Ivan Ribadeneira
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Best comments ever.. this is what people looking for.. screw what happened... now look foward and get pay..
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COL Jon Thompson
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I am sorry to hear about this. Unfortunately this is what the Army is going through now as we continue to downsize. I was passed over for promotion to Major in 1995 totally unexpected so I had to find a new civilian career. Here is my advice. I don't think you have to take the leave and can sell that back to the government. That would give you those two additional months of looking for a career. You would also have that little nest egg to help you when the time is up. Second, I would start looking for a job right away and I would tell you to expand your horizons to consider things you may not have thought about before. I went back to Chicago from Alaska with no job and ended up working for Hertz Rent a Car as a manager. My leadership experience led to me getting promoted to the next level of management over more senior managers only 7 months later. When I left there 11 years later to work for the Army, I was the number two person at one of the company's largest operations. Spend your remaining time wisely. I will end by saying that you may be torn for the last few months between your duties to the Army and the transition. The transition has to be your number one priority so make sure you have good balance.
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CSM Geologist
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The RE-4 is easier to get waivered with the National Guard. Each state is different, but my Career Counselors told me that is the best route for QMP Soldiers that want to continue to serve. Find a National Guard recruiter in the state you are going to reside in. You do get discharged before you can submitted for the waiver though, but it queued up and ready to go.
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MSG Command Career Counselor
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You really don't want to wait until you are discharged. If you do, you will have to return through MEPS and they are trying to DQ anybody they can because of the draw down. You will want to talk to a Career Counselor and reenlist into the Reserves prior to separating. Additionally, when considering the National Guard vs the Army Reserves, keep in mind that the Reserves operates under the same rules and regs as Big Army. The National Guard uses some of the rules and regs, but they also operate under the regulations that their individual state prescribes.
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CSM G3/5/7 Sergeant Major
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Are you in the same grade as you were when you were not in compliance with 600-9 3 years ago. The 4 block at the bottom of that NCOER would do it. You fall right into what QMP was designed to do. It's not what ya want to hear, but it is what the mandate is? I too am sorry to hear that you were picked to be separated. You were given some advise about possibly the reserves. It's worth a shot. If you crossed over you could MOB and earn active retirement as well. So it is still possible to get to retirement, it just might take longer than you expected. Good luck as you transition.
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SP5 Richard Maze
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The U.S. Labor Department produces a guide to occupations with projected significant growth. You should look through the list, see what interests you and what you would have to do to qualify. Use your GI Bill, with the housing stipend, if you need to get some training or education to prepare you. I know it is a kick in your ass, but you have options for the future.
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SP5 Richard Maze
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http://www.bls.gov/ooh/ Here is a link to the occupational outlook report
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SFC Retention and Transition NCO (USAR)
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I agree the CSM with all points except the AFS retirement. Yes, you can MOB for numerous tours but the Army will never let you hit 18 years AFS for sanctuary while serving as a TPU on multiple tours. Once you hit 18 years AFS they would have to let you finish the 20 years. I know of a lot of soldiers that yried foing this. Once the hit 17 years from MOBS, HRC will cut any unit off at the knees from trying to MOB that Soldier again to get to 18 years. You van however finish your 20 year reserve pension and even retire before 60 with the retirement date reduction for being Mobilized post 2008 while serving in Reserve status.
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CSM G3/5/7 Sergeant Major
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SFC (Join to see) so that being said I was a ACRC 1SG for a Brigade and we MOB’d folks all the time out of my TPU folks and brought them on to work on the active side putting them into Sanctuary. Then we put them into our Active TDA once they were transition to active component. I didn’t say it was a done deal, I said it was possible. I did it a few short years back. Not saying times haven’t changed. My company had active, mobilized reservists and TPU reservists. It is “possible” to do it. You have to find the right situation for you. That’s all I was saying.
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LTC Infantry Officer
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Use the G.I. Bill and please go to school. Try to focus on a 21st century career will not end a dead-end.
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1SG 1st Sergeant
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Sergeant,
Make sure you are doing the Soldier for life ACAP mandatory program. It is a lengthy process and with only four months left in the Army your time is very short to accomplish everything in the program. With that being said you also have your CIF, medical physical and everything else in the clearing process that you have to do to reenter the civilian world. BLUF: you do not have much time for anything else, but taking care of you. At this point it is all about you. Your unit should not be counting on you to work all day and expect you to accomplish everything you need to do for yourself on your personal time.

1SG Thomas W. Graham
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SSG Platoon Sergeant
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Yes 1SG especially being stationed at Fort Irwin we go to the field every month for two weeks. The CSM and my 1SG are tracking that I should be taking care of myself.
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SSG Cryptologic Linguist
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Yeah, today is my last day of language class and I have to start asking and collecting memos for appeal while sinultaneously enroll for SFL.
it sucks.
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SFC Retention and Transition NCO (USAR)
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ACAP (SFL-TAP) is congressionally mandated. The unit has to allow you the time to accomplish the entire clearing process. Exit physical, CIF, ACAP, meet with all VA reps etc.. make sure you document all medical issues on your exit physical paperwork and supply a copy of all supporting documents to the VA guy at SFL-TAP. This ensures that the disability process goes faster with the VA rather than doing it with the VA alone after discharge.
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SPC Robert Conway
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Yet another reason why 600-9 is a piece of crap. A length of plastic should not be the measurement of what makes a good soldier.
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1SG Airborne Ranger
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although your statement maybe true, but the last time I checked soldiers are warriors. this guy is 68 inches tall weighs 220 pounds, scored a mediocre 78 and 75 points on the 2 events that he can do. and received success bullets "average" ratings on his ncoer. time to look for a new career. I don't want this guy in my formation.
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