Posted on May 18, 2014
Why does the Army discriminate against single soldiers?
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First let me say I am biased in my opinion since I am a single soldier. The Army stacks the deck against single soldiers, in a variety of ways. There are standards that single soldiers are forced to obey that married soldiers are not. Purely just because of their marriage.
Housing is my personal biggest area of concern being a single soldier. I am a 27 yr old college graduate. I get the same "rights" in my living quarters that a single 17/18 yr old straight out of high-school would get. If that same soldier is married, they get considerably more freedom, pay, and budget control than I do.
I as a single soldier get no say in where I live. At my current duty station the BAH for my rank and dependent status (Single, E-4) would be $1,068. So I essentially pay $1,068 dollars a month to live in the barracks. The barracks I live in have two separate bedrooms, with a common kitchen and bathroom area. Since there are two soldiers in each little barracks apartment, we collectively pay $2,136 a month for this set up. That is FAR more then what a similar apartment style would cost in the surrounding communities. If single soldiers were allowed to have BAH and live where they choose we could potentially save several hundred dollars a month by controlling our living expenses. That's not including the approximately $300 a month we are forced to pay for the DFACs.
There is also the issue of furniture in the barracks. Again we have no say, we get whatever the Army already has in the room. Personally I would love to have an actual nice mattress, instead of these cheap plastic blue ones.
Barracks inspections. I can't stand barracks inspections. The inspections are completely up to the person doing them and what they "think" the standard should be. One inspection your could be fine, the next one your getting lectured about how to make a bed. Last summer I had to write a 2 page paper for an LT about personal standards in the barracks. All because my bed didn't have hospital corners. (That morning when I get up I tossed my blanket off to the right of me, where it was just sorta crunched up against the wall running the length of my bed.) If I want to know what I am allowed to have and not have in my room, I have to read three different policy letters to find out. Division could allow something, Brigade could say no, and then Battalion have nothing about it at all. I get that lower commands are allowed to restrict privileges as they see fit. I'm just saying it's cumbersome to have to read three different levels policy to find out what is what.
It annoys me that I have to have periodic inspections(currently every morning before PT for my company) while married soldiers receive no inspections just because they are married. I get that they have a family, I just don't see why that should stop a squad leader from making a planned, announced, and visual walk-through of the house of the married soldier. Keeping the same standard of living as a single soldier should be part of the military life.
Meal Deductions. I don't think the DFACs are worth the $300 a month I have to pay. I hate having to "play" the "I am a Meal Card Holder" card to get lunch sometimes during work. It's usually followed by a married soldier saying "I'm working thru lunch, you don't see me bitching about wanting to leave for food". True. However when we miss our lunch it's gone. The money we paid is gone rather we ate that meal or not. Married people if they bring their lunch it'll still be there later. If they eat out, then well that's just money they didn't spend that day. They can use it tomorrow to get twice as much for lunch or eat somewhere more expensive depending on their budget.
We get no say in what sounds good for dinner. It's whatever the DFAC has. Sometimes that means either fried or grilled chicken. If they run out of one thing, it'll be whatever they have left. It's not right. It leaves married people with control over their diet and single soldiers with whatever the Army needed to clean out of the fridge.
The above is just Big Army things, the discrimination continues all the way down to the company level. At my company single soldiers who live in the barracks are not allowed to park in the lot in front of the company. Now our barracks is approximately 3/4 mile down the road. Our motor pool is another 3/4 mile the other direction. I find it silly that an entire parking lot is reserved for married people. Sure single soldiers can drive to work, but we have to park in the barracks across the street. Which is not the barracks we live in. Married people can't park in that same lot if the one in front of company is full? To a point I can understand the reasoning behind this, but single soldiers have to leave and run here and there just like our married counter-parts. Why should they get special parking treatment? I don't see anyone stopping married people from using the barracks washers and dryers to avoid buying their own/going to coin laundry mats. Why are married people allowed to dip their hands in our honey and slap ours away from theirs?
Like I said from the start I'm biased. I look over the fence and see greener grass. Perhaps this is all just one single soldier bitching and complaining.
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Update FEB 2019: Since I originally posted this message, I have gotten married. My view on the subject has not changed. I want to respond to some of the overarching themes in everyone responses.
“Quit bitching/whining/complaining.” I feel there is a difference between logically laying out issues and grievances and just bitching about them. The number of leaders who contributions on this post/topic amounted to “quit saying words” is disheartening.
“Get married/Army will issue you a wife.” Saying to get married just to move out of the barracks is a failure of leadership. Those of you (in my opinion) with that mentally should reconsider what you do/did and what your job is/was. As a former Infantry NCO I have dealt with the countless issues that arise when a soldier quickly marries someone for the wrong reason (example: get out of the barracks). The domestic issues, spouse calling in to the Staff Duty, soldier isn’t training because of counseling/FAP/court/Divorce related nonsense, greatly diminishes readiness which the last I checked the Army still considers to be pretty important.
“I had more money/I wish I was back in the barracks/ but but bills! etc.” Bull. I wish I could challenge anyone who says that to actually prove it. As stated, I am married now. I have more money, flexibility, and financial freedom then I did as a single E-4. Now some of that is because I’m a higher rank. Part of it is because I use BAH as intended to cover housing/bills, my BAS for food, and having the control over how much I spend on those two items is very important. Also, my spouse works. I have come to realize that is less than common for married soldiers in the Army. However, I would argue that getting married and not having both spouses working is a decision that you made going in to it. I’m not arguing/stating if it’s the right or wrong choice. It’s what you decided worked for ya’ll. To me it’s the equivalent of a private going out and buying that 23% interest Mustang then complaining about how much money it costs and how he used to have it so much better without that car payment. If you choose (by getting married/having kids) to feed/house/care for additional people (spouse/kids) and yet do nothing to increase your income than yeah…you’ll have less money. That is a very poor argument for what the original post was about.
a. Hopefully ^above^ I’ve made my point clear and concise seems a little muddy to me, I guess we shall see in future comments.
“Move off post.” That’s not an option. Well I guess it is, however single soldiers still have to maintain the barracks room they get assigned, they still wouldn’t get the BAH entitlement, and they would have to still pay the DFAC out of their BAS. Do I need to continue on the ignorance of that statement? Sure, there’s a packet you can submit and ask to receive those allowances, I’ve only ever seen get accepted once and that was when my BDE changed from Light to Armored, only for E-5s, and it was suggested only if they were on orders and would be PCS’ing soon anyhow. They wanted non-PCS’ing E-5s still in the barracks. I don’t recall if I stated it in my original post but that unofficial additional duty of being an NCO at the barracks is crap. “You’re an NCO at the barracks keep everyone in line down there after work and on weekends”, thought that’s what CQ was for. I’ll also comment on the “single people off post would party to much/be late to formation/traffic at the gates/ get in trouble in town more” line of nonsense. It’s ignorant. Along with the “paying dues” comments.
Veterans- I appreciate you are still active in the boarder military community, and recognize that your time in the service paved the way for what we did/do/have accomplished today. However, pointing out how things were worse yesterday compared today and to “suck it up” is lazy. There is no reason we can’t keep pointing out things today to make tomorrow even better. I’m sure there is crap I can’t even fathom that ya’ll dealt with back in the 60s, 80s, and what have you that were fixed because of people continuing to bring the issue up.
Lastly, I’ve enjoyed reading the varied amount of responses everyone has on the topic. If mine come off as aggressive or across the line it was not my intention. When I posted the original stuff above 4+ almost 5 years ago I never expected it to get attention and still receive emails notifications years later. I’m fairly sure I’ve read 90% of the comments because Rally Point sends me an email every time someone comments. No I did not add that picture at the top, it’s the website. Sorry if you clicked on a Rally Point ad somewhere that linked to this post only to see it’s from 2014. I don’t control those. It’s the website. Yes I’m sure there are a few grammar and spelling errors. If you point it out at the beginning of a comment, I’m more likely to see it and correct the issue. Cheers to several more years of being told why I’m wrong.
Housing is my personal biggest area of concern being a single soldier. I am a 27 yr old college graduate. I get the same "rights" in my living quarters that a single 17/18 yr old straight out of high-school would get. If that same soldier is married, they get considerably more freedom, pay, and budget control than I do.
I as a single soldier get no say in where I live. At my current duty station the BAH for my rank and dependent status (Single, E-4) would be $1,068. So I essentially pay $1,068 dollars a month to live in the barracks. The barracks I live in have two separate bedrooms, with a common kitchen and bathroom area. Since there are two soldiers in each little barracks apartment, we collectively pay $2,136 a month for this set up. That is FAR more then what a similar apartment style would cost in the surrounding communities. If single soldiers were allowed to have BAH and live where they choose we could potentially save several hundred dollars a month by controlling our living expenses. That's not including the approximately $300 a month we are forced to pay for the DFACs.
There is also the issue of furniture in the barracks. Again we have no say, we get whatever the Army already has in the room. Personally I would love to have an actual nice mattress, instead of these cheap plastic blue ones.
Barracks inspections. I can't stand barracks inspections. The inspections are completely up to the person doing them and what they "think" the standard should be. One inspection your could be fine, the next one your getting lectured about how to make a bed. Last summer I had to write a 2 page paper for an LT about personal standards in the barracks. All because my bed didn't have hospital corners. (That morning when I get up I tossed my blanket off to the right of me, where it was just sorta crunched up against the wall running the length of my bed.) If I want to know what I am allowed to have and not have in my room, I have to read three different policy letters to find out. Division could allow something, Brigade could say no, and then Battalion have nothing about it at all. I get that lower commands are allowed to restrict privileges as they see fit. I'm just saying it's cumbersome to have to read three different levels policy to find out what is what.
It annoys me that I have to have periodic inspections(currently every morning before PT for my company) while married soldiers receive no inspections just because they are married. I get that they have a family, I just don't see why that should stop a squad leader from making a planned, announced, and visual walk-through of the house of the married soldier. Keeping the same standard of living as a single soldier should be part of the military life.
Meal Deductions. I don't think the DFACs are worth the $300 a month I have to pay. I hate having to "play" the "I am a Meal Card Holder" card to get lunch sometimes during work. It's usually followed by a married soldier saying "I'm working thru lunch, you don't see me bitching about wanting to leave for food". True. However when we miss our lunch it's gone. The money we paid is gone rather we ate that meal or not. Married people if they bring their lunch it'll still be there later. If they eat out, then well that's just money they didn't spend that day. They can use it tomorrow to get twice as much for lunch or eat somewhere more expensive depending on their budget.
We get no say in what sounds good for dinner. It's whatever the DFAC has. Sometimes that means either fried or grilled chicken. If they run out of one thing, it'll be whatever they have left. It's not right. It leaves married people with control over their diet and single soldiers with whatever the Army needed to clean out of the fridge.
The above is just Big Army things, the discrimination continues all the way down to the company level. At my company single soldiers who live in the barracks are not allowed to park in the lot in front of the company. Now our barracks is approximately 3/4 mile down the road. Our motor pool is another 3/4 mile the other direction. I find it silly that an entire parking lot is reserved for married people. Sure single soldiers can drive to work, but we have to park in the barracks across the street. Which is not the barracks we live in. Married people can't park in that same lot if the one in front of company is full? To a point I can understand the reasoning behind this, but single soldiers have to leave and run here and there just like our married counter-parts. Why should they get special parking treatment? I don't see anyone stopping married people from using the barracks washers and dryers to avoid buying their own/going to coin laundry mats. Why are married people allowed to dip their hands in our honey and slap ours away from theirs?
Like I said from the start I'm biased. I look over the fence and see greener grass. Perhaps this is all just one single soldier bitching and complaining.
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Update FEB 2019: Since I originally posted this message, I have gotten married. My view on the subject has not changed. I want to respond to some of the overarching themes in everyone responses.
“Quit bitching/whining/complaining.” I feel there is a difference between logically laying out issues and grievances and just bitching about them. The number of leaders who contributions on this post/topic amounted to “quit saying words” is disheartening.
“Get married/Army will issue you a wife.” Saying to get married just to move out of the barracks is a failure of leadership. Those of you (in my opinion) with that mentally should reconsider what you do/did and what your job is/was. As a former Infantry NCO I have dealt with the countless issues that arise when a soldier quickly marries someone for the wrong reason (example: get out of the barracks). The domestic issues, spouse calling in to the Staff Duty, soldier isn’t training because of counseling/FAP/court/Divorce related nonsense, greatly diminishes readiness which the last I checked the Army still considers to be pretty important.
“I had more money/I wish I was back in the barracks/ but but bills! etc.” Bull. I wish I could challenge anyone who says that to actually prove it. As stated, I am married now. I have more money, flexibility, and financial freedom then I did as a single E-4. Now some of that is because I’m a higher rank. Part of it is because I use BAH as intended to cover housing/bills, my BAS for food, and having the control over how much I spend on those two items is very important. Also, my spouse works. I have come to realize that is less than common for married soldiers in the Army. However, I would argue that getting married and not having both spouses working is a decision that you made going in to it. I’m not arguing/stating if it’s the right or wrong choice. It’s what you decided worked for ya’ll. To me it’s the equivalent of a private going out and buying that 23% interest Mustang then complaining about how much money it costs and how he used to have it so much better without that car payment. If you choose (by getting married/having kids) to feed/house/care for additional people (spouse/kids) and yet do nothing to increase your income than yeah…you’ll have less money. That is a very poor argument for what the original post was about.
a. Hopefully ^above^ I’ve made my point clear and concise seems a little muddy to me, I guess we shall see in future comments.
“Move off post.” That’s not an option. Well I guess it is, however single soldiers still have to maintain the barracks room they get assigned, they still wouldn’t get the BAH entitlement, and they would have to still pay the DFAC out of their BAS. Do I need to continue on the ignorance of that statement? Sure, there’s a packet you can submit and ask to receive those allowances, I’ve only ever seen get accepted once and that was when my BDE changed from Light to Armored, only for E-5s, and it was suggested only if they were on orders and would be PCS’ing soon anyhow. They wanted non-PCS’ing E-5s still in the barracks. I don’t recall if I stated it in my original post but that unofficial additional duty of being an NCO at the barracks is crap. “You’re an NCO at the barracks keep everyone in line down there after work and on weekends”, thought that’s what CQ was for. I’ll also comment on the “single people off post would party to much/be late to formation/traffic at the gates/ get in trouble in town more” line of nonsense. It’s ignorant. Along with the “paying dues” comments.
Veterans- I appreciate you are still active in the boarder military community, and recognize that your time in the service paved the way for what we did/do/have accomplished today. However, pointing out how things were worse yesterday compared today and to “suck it up” is lazy. There is no reason we can’t keep pointing out things today to make tomorrow even better. I’m sure there is crap I can’t even fathom that ya’ll dealt with back in the 60s, 80s, and what have you that were fixed because of people continuing to bring the issue up.
Lastly, I’ve enjoyed reading the varied amount of responses everyone has on the topic. If mine come off as aggressive or across the line it was not my intention. When I posted the original stuff above 4+ almost 5 years ago I never expected it to get attention and still receive emails notifications years later. I’m fairly sure I’ve read 90% of the comments because Rally Point sends me an email every time someone comments. No I did not add that picture at the top, it’s the website. Sorry if you clicked on a Rally Point ad somewhere that linked to this post only to see it’s from 2014. I don’t control those. It’s the website. Yes I’m sure there are a few grammar and spelling errors. If you point it out at the beginning of a comment, I’m more likely to see it and correct the issue. Cheers to several more years of being told why I’m wrong.
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Yes signal Gi get all the extrat bs to like guard duty and other stuff just because a merry Gi got kids they put signal folks on weekend duty assignment to
I was in the Navy and had the same problems. E4 and below single had to live on the ship. Which means you can be snagged anytime to do work where the seniors who live off base or on base dont have to worry about. On shore duty same situation, I had to be inspected as a E5 my room was inspected daily also. I was not allowed the extra money either. Once I made E6 I really saw the difference. I was "forced" to move in town. I was given BAQ BAH Cola.Comrats. I hit the jackpot. I lived in Baltimore DC area very expensive. I first got a apartment which cost the 2000 a month I was getting to live, funny how the cost is the same lol. Then I realized I can buy a house for 1500 a month so I made extra 500 a month. I was able to get better car because the costs were less than extra pay I was getting. Now I am single at this time if I was married I would have gotten more. I could have had this earlier if we were allowed to move in town. You are correct the cost for living in a BEQ is discusting some times. Now I have seen the new barracks and they are nice but not worth that cost. Relize I went thru this in my career from 1988-2008.
There is so much to assess here but I will try what I can:
I can absolutely agree that there is a wide line between single and married soldiers. I no longer have the choice to have a children or not, so that leaves me to question why a personal decision like having children is rewarded by the Army but other good deeds like taking charge of the squad as an E4 only gets you extra points on the EPP that amount to almost nothing depending on your MOS. Change my MOS, you say? Change units, you say? I hate to say it but not all units are the same. I transferred to an MP BN as an engineer to be the Engineer Chief in their HQ platoon and I can’t stress the level of discrimination between “us and them” enough. “We were just support”. I moved there to get my promotion and it honestly almost ruined my career; I ran screaming back to my organic unit that I had joined into. That “is and then” mentality is no different between MOSs as it is for single vs married soldiers. The difference is choice. I don’t think it’s right that because someone makes a choice to get married they get more money when single soldiers do in fact get shafted with extra duty because they don’t have “a family to go home to”. Reality check: yes we do. I was engaged to a guy who had a child, helped with child support because I loved them both. My sister had a child and the father ran off? Auntie Gee (me) to the rescue. My grandfather put the wrong antifreeze in his truck and his truck died on the middle of the parkway? Me to the rescue again to make sure my grandmother didn’t need to shoulder that burden (or the stress for that matter).
I’m in Brooklyn, one of the highest BAHs out there. I was paying my grandparents to live back home (bills behind their back) so the house didn’t go under, I’d take the night shift with my wonderful godson because I knew my sister needed a break. My amazing grandfather who taught me the skills I needed to be an engineer LONG before the army would want simple things towards the end of his life and I made that happen for him. I made choices to care for my family on single-no dependents paychecks when I was on the task force, and I don’t regret one second: but when servicemembers are saying “stop bitching” it’s because they do have it better and don’t want things to change.
Keep pushing for that change. Single soldiers have families too. I joined for my family- my brother took his own life and I joined 6 months later because I didn’t think I had any strength left and was afraid I couldn’t be that strength for my family...
so tell me again how single soldiers don’t have a family and don’t deserve the “reward” for those extra hours we put in that married soldiers don’t because they have a family just the same as us?
I can absolutely agree that there is a wide line between single and married soldiers. I no longer have the choice to have a children or not, so that leaves me to question why a personal decision like having children is rewarded by the Army but other good deeds like taking charge of the squad as an E4 only gets you extra points on the EPP that amount to almost nothing depending on your MOS. Change my MOS, you say? Change units, you say? I hate to say it but not all units are the same. I transferred to an MP BN as an engineer to be the Engineer Chief in their HQ platoon and I can’t stress the level of discrimination between “us and them” enough. “We were just support”. I moved there to get my promotion and it honestly almost ruined my career; I ran screaming back to my organic unit that I had joined into. That “is and then” mentality is no different between MOSs as it is for single vs married soldiers. The difference is choice. I don’t think it’s right that because someone makes a choice to get married they get more money when single soldiers do in fact get shafted with extra duty because they don’t have “a family to go home to”. Reality check: yes we do. I was engaged to a guy who had a child, helped with child support because I loved them both. My sister had a child and the father ran off? Auntie Gee (me) to the rescue. My grandfather put the wrong antifreeze in his truck and his truck died on the middle of the parkway? Me to the rescue again to make sure my grandmother didn’t need to shoulder that burden (or the stress for that matter).
I’m in Brooklyn, one of the highest BAHs out there. I was paying my grandparents to live back home (bills behind their back) so the house didn’t go under, I’d take the night shift with my wonderful godson because I knew my sister needed a break. My amazing grandfather who taught me the skills I needed to be an engineer LONG before the army would want simple things towards the end of his life and I made that happen for him. I made choices to care for my family on single-no dependents paychecks when I was on the task force, and I don’t regret one second: but when servicemembers are saying “stop bitching” it’s because they do have it better and don’t want things to change.
Keep pushing for that change. Single soldiers have families too. I joined for my family- my brother took his own life and I joined 6 months later because I didn’t think I had any strength left and was afraid I couldn’t be that strength for my family...
so tell me again how single soldiers don’t have a family and don’t deserve the “reward” for those extra hours we put in that married soldiers don’t because they have a family just the same as us?
The Army is not the only branch that has this issue. When I was an E-2, I had a female E-2 ask if i wanted to marry her to get out of the barracks. I saw many cases of young sailors getting married to get out of the barracks. Meals, you couldn't make them in the barracks, even when you worked rotating shifts and get to the galley 9aka messhall or DFAC). "Bring in your lunch", but you can't prepare it in the barracks. The married guys never got called up for a working party, but someone would enter your room and pull you from your rack, which is really fun when you just got off a 12 mid-watch and have another one that evening. ASk any service member that has been single in service and ask about the advantages of being married and you'll get an earfull.
As an E-3 who was both single and married, (with a non-working wife), I will say that things were a bit more complicated logistically living off base, travel time, etc, etc... BUT... I do agree that it's bullshit that we are/were expected to pay the Military's rates for the Military's chosen room & board. If you are going to decide what I eat and where I live and what accouterments my home can and cannot have, then why the fuck am I paying for it? You wanna be The Daddy and make all the house rules and decisions? YOU pay for it, not me!
We had a pretty good chow hall at 43 Area Las Pulgas, Camp Pendleton back when I lived there and our WWII Era 4 man rooms (generally with two actual occupants and two off-base NCO wall-lockers), were serviceable.
We had a pretty good chow hall at 43 Area Las Pulgas, Camp Pendleton back when I lived there and our WWII Era 4 man rooms (generally with two actual occupants and two off-base NCO wall-lockers), were serviceable.
I’m really sorry you and every lower enlisted are going through that. I can tell you from my experience when I was in Active Duty as a lower enlisted that I had similar issues. So, you are not alone! However, as one unit should bring this issue up, and keep fighting to see this get resolved.
Not to buck the Army, but all services whether Army, Air Force, Navy or otherwise use the same standards. "if we wanted you to have a wife, We would issue you one.!!!! I know because I am retired Air Force!!!
Hey do you use your argument against you but the same concept and or theory that you used about you didn’t wanna hear that you got married and they didn’t have a job so that’s what you got into knowing Lee, ditto nobody signed your hand writing and nobody forced your hand on that pin. Any questions you had very easily can be looked up on Google or even ask other soldiers. Being a prior infantry an NCO yourself you should know more than enough people they can tell you the information. As a prior enlisted and officers myself I can tell you that yeah there are pros and cons that come with the pay and the rank in the housing etc. however I will tell you Hey do use your argument against you but the same concept and or theory that you used about you didn’t want to hear that you got married and they didn’t have a job so that’s what you got into knowing Lee, ditto nobody signed your handwriting and nobody forced your hand on that pin. Any questions you had very easily can be looked up on Google or even ask other soldiers. Being a prior infantry NCO yourself you should know more than enough people they can tell you the information. As a prior enlisted and officers myself I can tell you that yeah there are pros and cons that come with the pay and the rank and the housing etc. however I will tell you That is in your eyes and your mind the only issues or some of the major issues that you see, at your level, or issues pertaining to I don’t get to have my own mattress in my Barricks that I’m essentially paying for and the defect gives us shitty food will not sure what to tell you on that one because again you could ask and find out and see what’s what prior to signing up. As far as persons being married and or single and not getting a choice where they live, I guarantee you there are countless persons on here they can tell you that being married they also we’re not giving a choice as to where to live.
as a need for I used to complain and bitch a question and wonder what the hell we were doing, while we were doing it and none of it logically made any sense to me whatsoever. Step forward many years as a platoon leader then commander and then battalion staff officer and I will tell you the crap I worried about then mitt nothing compared to the crap I had to worry about and deal with on a daily basis with an O in front of my rank. And granted yes I took myself and put myself through Accelerated OCS because I did that my self because I knew what I was going to be calm and what I was gonna do with my career so I made a choice and I assumed those responsibilities even has a key for not knowing what they would be high automatically took that step and assumed I would never look back. I can tell you if you have that to complain about with your laundry, go to Kuwait, go to some places in Iraq go to some places in Afghanistan and you’ll be lucky if your clothes are even still there let alone throw it in the floor or thrown on top of the dryer or anything else. You put the crap in there you’re responsible accelerated OCS because I did that I self because I knew what I was going to be calm and what I was going to do with my career so I made a choice and I assumed those responsibilities even has a key for not knowing what they would be I automatically took that step and assumed I would never look back. I can tell you if you have that to complain about with your laundry, go to Kuwait, go to some places in Iraq go to some places in Afghanistan and you’ll be lucky if your clothes are even still there let alone thrown in the floor or thrown on top of the dryer or anything else. You put the crap in there you’re responsible for the crab case closed. Should somebody have the right to throw it away, no I completely agree with you however again you put it in there, you take it out you are a soldier with a college level education so that concepts should not be complicated for you. Between mobilizing between hurricanes between multiple deployments even as going back overseas as a contractor the same hell true when it came to my property and my equipment. Ultimately it was My responsibility and mine alone.
As for your argument pertaining to Mary persons and thinking about home or whatever sort of inspection, how about this for a wife in there that’s pissed off and doesn’t feel like cleaning up because she had a shitty day at work, also go ahead and throw one too or make it even better three kids in there or for like myself and see how that works out because they won’t clean up jack shit. Do you think privates are bad, LMFAO you have not seen anything and less you’re messing with multiple young children so is that soldier also to get dinged because their pellets are not clean to the staff NCOs in As for your argument pertaining to married persons and thinking about home or whatever sort of inspection, how about this throw wife in there that’s pissed off and doesn’t feel like cleaning up because she had a shitty day at work, also go ahead and throw one too or make it even better three kids in there or for like myself and see how that works out because they won’t clean up Jack shit. If you think privates are bad, LMFAO you have not seen anything unless you’re messing with multiple young children, so is that soldier also to get dinged because their billets are not clean to the SSG and or NCO’s Specifications? Do you like getting dinged for crap that takes place in your barracks that you used to hate? Probably not. Ultimately I assure you with 100% probability you will find way way way more crap to bitch about then BAH differences or being able to budget for your diet etc. if you intend on staying in, trust me the headaches will keep rolling and you’re gonna look back and go What I used to bitch about wasn’t anything compared to what I’ve got to deal with now. Once you make it in to the leader ship NCO position where you are now telling staff sergeants when inspections will take place or you are the E6 or E-7 thats standing there with the CSM while he’s doing inspection and you get your ass tore into because soldiers didn’t do the simplistic things they were told to do.
Either way, I hope you’re able to resolve your issues and get the most out of the Army because they WILL get it out of you. Take care.
Talk to text disclaimer lol.
as a need for I used to complain and bitch a question and wonder what the hell we were doing, while we were doing it and none of it logically made any sense to me whatsoever. Step forward many years as a platoon leader then commander and then battalion staff officer and I will tell you the crap I worried about then mitt nothing compared to the crap I had to worry about and deal with on a daily basis with an O in front of my rank. And granted yes I took myself and put myself through Accelerated OCS because I did that my self because I knew what I was going to be calm and what I was gonna do with my career so I made a choice and I assumed those responsibilities even has a key for not knowing what they would be high automatically took that step and assumed I would never look back. I can tell you if you have that to complain about with your laundry, go to Kuwait, go to some places in Iraq go to some places in Afghanistan and you’ll be lucky if your clothes are even still there let alone throw it in the floor or thrown on top of the dryer or anything else. You put the crap in there you’re responsible accelerated OCS because I did that I self because I knew what I was going to be calm and what I was going to do with my career so I made a choice and I assumed those responsibilities even has a key for not knowing what they would be I automatically took that step and assumed I would never look back. I can tell you if you have that to complain about with your laundry, go to Kuwait, go to some places in Iraq go to some places in Afghanistan and you’ll be lucky if your clothes are even still there let alone thrown in the floor or thrown on top of the dryer or anything else. You put the crap in there you’re responsible for the crab case closed. Should somebody have the right to throw it away, no I completely agree with you however again you put it in there, you take it out you are a soldier with a college level education so that concepts should not be complicated for you. Between mobilizing between hurricanes between multiple deployments even as going back overseas as a contractor the same hell true when it came to my property and my equipment. Ultimately it was My responsibility and mine alone.
As for your argument pertaining to Mary persons and thinking about home or whatever sort of inspection, how about this for a wife in there that’s pissed off and doesn’t feel like cleaning up because she had a shitty day at work, also go ahead and throw one too or make it even better three kids in there or for like myself and see how that works out because they won’t clean up jack shit. Do you think privates are bad, LMFAO you have not seen anything and less you’re messing with multiple young children so is that soldier also to get dinged because their pellets are not clean to the staff NCOs in As for your argument pertaining to married persons and thinking about home or whatever sort of inspection, how about this throw wife in there that’s pissed off and doesn’t feel like cleaning up because she had a shitty day at work, also go ahead and throw one too or make it even better three kids in there or for like myself and see how that works out because they won’t clean up Jack shit. If you think privates are bad, LMFAO you have not seen anything unless you’re messing with multiple young children, so is that soldier also to get dinged because their billets are not clean to the SSG and or NCO’s Specifications? Do you like getting dinged for crap that takes place in your barracks that you used to hate? Probably not. Ultimately I assure you with 100% probability you will find way way way more crap to bitch about then BAH differences or being able to budget for your diet etc. if you intend on staying in, trust me the headaches will keep rolling and you’re gonna look back and go What I used to bitch about wasn’t anything compared to what I’ve got to deal with now. Once you make it in to the leader ship NCO position where you are now telling staff sergeants when inspections will take place or you are the E6 or E-7 thats standing there with the CSM while he’s doing inspection and you get your ass tore into because soldiers didn’t do the simplistic things they were told to do.
Either way, I hope you’re able to resolve your issues and get the most out of the Army because they WILL get it out of you. Take care.
Talk to text disclaimer lol.
It's simple enough the Army is a Family Orientated Ops; they consider Lone Wolves to undermine the unity of the unit for personal Glory, that's why single enlisted soldiers are targeted.
Well as a E-9 I can say that having a family on E-4 pay is very hard and leads to many hardships and divorces . Advice wait and remember single people also take it in the shorts in the real world under the IRS . As a young G.I our D.I's would say soldier if the Army want you to have a wife they would have issued you one .
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